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So how many here signed up to cryonics |
Jan 22 2010, 01:22 PM
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Group: Registered User Threadstarter Joined: 21-July 09 Posts: 174 |
I certainly plan to, not at the moment as I have no job, and figure at 24 now I still have a few years were I can still get it at a cheaper rate. Although I live in the UK so not entirely sure what it's gonna end up being in the end.
But interested to know how many people have bothered with it. Like I have little faith in it esspially the way they do it now but as people point out it's better then nothing, just concerns me the cost really I guess and I don't imagine I'll be earning much for a long time, if ever. |
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Jan 23 2010, 01:41 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 3-December 09 Posts: 255 From: UK |
I certainly plan to, not at the moment as I have no job, and figure at 24 now I still have a few years were I can still get it at a cheaper rate. Unless you're hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow, of course. Or get diagnosed with something that makes you uninsurable. My (UK!) life insurance costs me £6 a month. That's 19p a day. A homeless person could afford that much, right? QUOTE Although I live in the UK so not entirely sure what it's gonna end up being in the end. Sorry - Where what's going to be? QUOTE But interested to know how many people have bothered with it. Like I have little faith in it I have no faith in it (though I do have not a small amount of confidence in it). I don't operate on faith. I operate on reason. It's an intelligent version of Pascal's gamble. If it doesn't work, I'll have lost nothing by trying that I wouldn't have lost anyway by not trying. QUOTE esspially the way they do it now Who is "they"? How do "they" do it now? Are you referring to the recent improvements in vitrification protocols? What is your source for your knowledge of how "they" are doing it now? QUOTE but as people point out it's better then nothing, just concerns me the cost really I guess and I don't imagine I'll be earning much for a long time, if ever. Have you investigated just how little it costs? I work for a charity, for a pittance. I love my job, it's really enjoyable, doesn't feel like work, etc - but it really doesn't pay well at all. But frankly, I could sell the Big Issue for a living and still easily afford my cryonics expenses. Unless you have some health difficulties that make life insurance difficult for you, money is only a barrier to cryonics for those who have not yet examined how little it costs and are erroneously assuming they need to be rich first. Again, I really hope you don't feel like I'm picking on you here - it's just something of a personal mission of mine to get the word out that cryonics is available and affordable. I went for years without knowing that. I could have been killed during that time. I nearly was killed during that time, come to think of it. I'd really hate for someone to die because of my inaction; for this reason I trust you'll understand and forgive my focus on this point! We're all in this boat together. |
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Jan 23 2010, 12:28 PM
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Group: Registered User Threadstarter Joined: 21-July 09 Posts: 174 |
six pounds a month!? Blimy, I made some enquires a few months ago and I got the idea it would cost 20-30 pounds a month for me, thats with CI. So ore still I guess with alcor.
The other costs I was referring to were transportation, cost of standby team, etc. That's not included in the thirty grand is it? But guess would be covered in a policy. Don't feel you're picking on me, at six quid a month I could afford that now, even without a job at all! At six quid a month it's and brainier, well even at thirty maybe I spend more on my mobile phone, and a little more on the gym! And probably more still on booze no doubt! |
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Jan 23 2010, 12:30 PM
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Group: Registered User Threadstarter Joined: 21-July 09 Posts: 174 |
I don't know a massive amount about the way they do it, so excuse my ignorance. I had just heard through a friend who had been to a lecture about it from the Uk cryonics group that because of such little money that goes into R&D for this stuff progress is very slow in improving preserving bodies and what not.
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Jan 24 2010, 02:01 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 3-December 09 Posts: 255 From: UK |
six pounds a month!? Blimy, I made some enquires a few months ago and I got the idea it would cost 20-30 pounds a month for me, thats with CI. So ore still I guess with alcor. The other costs I was referring to were transportation, cost of standby team, etc. That's not included in the thirty grand is it? But guess would be covered in a policy. Yes, it can be covered easily by the life insurance. If you have any difficulty getting such a policy, let me know and I'll be glad to help. |
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Jan 24 2010, 02:09 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 3-December 09 Posts: 255 From: UK |
I don't know a massive amount about the way they do it, so excuse my ignorance. I had just heard through a friend who had been to a lecture about it from the Uk cryonics group that because of such little money that goes into R&D for this stuff progress is very slow in improving preserving bodies and what not. That would be me who gave that lecture, and I don't recall saying that. Unless you are referring to the Alcor-specific training last year, which was not me. If you're referring to a god-awful presentation given at Birkbeck College by a sleep-deprived gentleman from Cryonics UK, that was me. More funding would be certainly be lovely, but new developments are coming along all the time (and have been for decades), and most research is mercifully not crazily expensive in the grand scheme of things. It'd be really great to have universities on board, that said, rather than only vested-interest research organisations (who do an excellent job, but I'd love to see some of the load shared out somewhat). |
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Jan 25 2010, 12:36 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 26-September 08 Posts: 341 From: Kuwait |
coming from a muslim country, health or life insurance does not do cryonics. how much cash would it generally cost, for the initial storage, and maintenance???
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Jan 25 2010, 01:02 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 3-December 09 Posts: 255 From: UK |
coming from a muslim country, health or life insurance does not do cryonics. how much cash would it generally cost, for the initial storage, and maintenance??? Your insurer doesn't need to know what the beneficiary will do with the money. You can just name them as a company and they will probably not question it. Alternately, you could get insurance from a foreign broker; I know Rudi Hoffman (world's top specialist for insurance for Cryonics) will do international policies if you can travel to America at least once for a medical. Failing all that, if you wish to pay outright, prices very widely depending on provider and type of suspension. $9,000 will get you a neurosuspension at KrioRus; $150,000 will get you a fully body suspension at Alcor. There are lots of options between those two ends of the price range. |
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Jan 25 2010, 04:56 PM
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Group: Member Joined: 13-January 10 Posts: 29 From: Roma Italy |
I am signed up with the Cryonics Institute and working to create a support group in my country (Italy).
Since the day I found out that such an option was actually available basically to everyone, I have always felt that it is a big safety net. What if it doesn't work? (How many "what if's" I have heard every time I talk about Cryonics...) Well, I have nothing to lose. But I have everything to gain if it does work. This is my simple perspective on it. |
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Jan 25 2010, 10:12 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 8-June 07 Posts: 2,119 |
I don't know when i'll be able to sign up for cryonics since i live in Brazil. If i lived in Europe i heard it's possible to do it, but down here it's harder.
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Jan 26 2010, 09:20 AM
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Group: Member Joined: 13-January 10 Posts: 29 From: Roma Italy |
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Jan 26 2010, 04:46 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 11-June 03 Posts: 2 |
I have been signed up since 1985 (with Alcor).
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Jan 30 2010, 06:17 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 30-April 03 Posts: 3,144 From: Austin, TX |
A lot of signed cryonicists have voted here!
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Jan 30 2010, 08:21 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 2-December 08 Posts: 47 |
I find most of the options to be acceptable responses (assuming these individuals support cryonics in other ways). That said, everyone who picks "No, and I never will" should be issued dunce caps.
This post has been edited by enoonsti: Jan 30 2010, 08:25 PM |
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Jan 31 2010, 09:44 PM
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Group: Navigator Joined: 4-September 06 Posts: 607 From: Everywhere and Nowhere on the WWW, The Netherlands |
I want to sign up, but i have a few difficulties... :(
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Feb 1 2010, 12:37 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 23-January 07 Posts: 633 From: Belgium |
six pounds a month!? Blimy, I made some enquires a few months ago and I got the idea it would cost 20-30 pounds a month for me, thats with CI. So ore still I guess with alcor. A Belgian member signed up at age 26 pays 72 euro's ($ 100,55) a month and it seems to be even higher in the Nederlands. This post has been edited by s123: Feb 1 2010, 12:39 AM |
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Feb 1 2010, 07:02 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 3-December 09 Posts: 255 From: UK |
$9,000 will get you a neurosuspension at KrioRus; $150,000 will get you a fully body suspension at Alcor. There are lots of options between those two ends of the price range. Correction: It appears that CI's price comparison page has incorrect information. It's $10,000 for a neuro-suspension with KrioRus, not $9,000. Additionally, Alcor's $150,000 full-body suspension is not the most expensive; ACS is slightly more expensive at $155,000 for a suspension that will ultimately put you in CI's keeping. It does say this on the price comparison page; I'd not noticed it previously. |
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Feb 1 2010, 07:04 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 3-December 09 Posts: 255 From: UK |
six pounds a month!? Blimy, I made some enquires a few months ago and I got the idea it would cost 20-30 pounds a month for me, thats with CI. So ore still I guess with alcor. A Belgian member signed up at age 26 pays 72 euro's ($ 100,55) a month and it seems to be even higher in the Nederlands. Term assured, or whole of life? (And out of curiosity, do you speak of Erik there?) As an addendum: I sorted out Cryonics UK's biochemist with an insurance policy quote for this purpose just today. He is 36 years old and has a quote of £9.80 per month. This post has been edited by David Styles: Feb 1 2010, 07:20 AM |
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Feb 1 2010, 12:59 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 23-January 07 Posts: 633 From: Belgium |
six pounds a month!? Blimy, I made some enquires a few months ago and I got the idea it would cost 20-30 pounds a month for me, thats with CI. So ore still I guess with alcor. A Belgian member signed up at age 26 pays 72 euro's ($ 100,55) a month and it seems to be even higher in the Nederlands. Term assured, or whole of life? (And out of curiosity, do you speak of Erik there?) As an addendum: I sorted out Cryonics UK's biochemist with an insurance policy quote for this purpose just today. He is 36 years old and has a quote of £9.80 per month. Term assured (paying till 65). Yes, I was talking about Erik. |
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Feb 1 2010, 01:33 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 3-December 09 Posts: 255 From: UK |
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