Clips from an upcoming documentary:

What's it about (didn't feel like watching the clips)

Don't know. Don't feel like typing.

Typed to say you didn't feel like typing. Seriously though, what's it about.

Still not going to convince me to eat fast food more often.

Seems to be the anti-lipid hypothesis response to the anti-fat angle of Supersize Me. Although, they interview Eades, so there is potential for it to be anti-carb instead of anti-stupid.

Okay, so I agree that people should make their own decisions about fast food. And I'll consider that Super Size Me may have been exaggerated (though it still isn't a good idea to eat 3500 calories a day). But it is really true that they don't have evidence linking saturated fat and cardiovascular disease?! :huh:

There are several books and critiques of those books out there on the subject. It's become such a 'yes' or 'no' subject with circular arguments on both sides that it makes me nauseated to read through some of the filth out there. The best answer I can give to your question: it depends.

OK, that's awesome, I can now do what I already do, but maybe have a teeny bit less concern about it. What I already do is have one slice of pretty decent pizza almost every day. The documentary was pretty good until it veered off into the CSPI guy anti-taxation paranoia. I've thought that Spurlock was kind of a phony for some while now, and this does tend to confirm that belief. Just as Spurlock exaggerated in one direction, however, this guy tends to exaggerate in the opposite direction. I guess that's "balance"... The part I take issue with is the "no one is forcing you to eat it" argument. If that argument is good, then we should have people selling heroin on street corners and giving out free syringes with popular movie marketing tie-ins. We could call them "happy shots". After all, no one would be forcing people to buy it...

well if you are going to eat bacon, cook it lightly and get nitrate free

Maybe you have to look at the kind of saturated fat.
Bv. stearic acid is healthier than palmitic acid because:
1) It's less likely to form cholesterol esters than palmitic acid
2) It's more converted into unsaturated fat than palmitic acid

The same is true for unsaturated fat.
Bv. trans fat is also unsaturated fat but not healthy

I think there has also been some suggestions that heart disease is related to soft-tissue calcification.

Does anyone know what the relationship is between dietry calcium intake and soft-tissue calcification?

This post has been edited by caston: Nov 29 2007, 03:40 PM

There are many risk factors for heart disease.



The human body is pretty damn good in this regard and I've seen no reason to suspect any normal nutrient intake would accelerate this event. When you get into prolonged excessive calcium supplementation and other idiocy, you could be looking into trouble.

I found this on the "heart foundations" website:

http://www.heartfoundation.org.au/Healthy_...Cholesterol.htm


And this page which does implicate calcium in heart disease:

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/heart-disease.htm

And it does talk about oral and
Intravenous chelation therapy with EDTA!

Well, the big strike about the documentary (I have watched all of the clips but haven't seen the rest of it) is that at the beginning they talk about how relating saturated fat intake to heart disease is dumb and interview a lot of experts, but they fail to actually go through and review highlights from medical studies.

The documentary also implies that eating at Mc Donalds may be a respectable life choice, which I really disagree with (though I don't feel it should be regulated).

Definitely something that needs to be looked at further.

Sure, lots of things can be linked one way or another: hyperlipidemia/cholesterolemia/glycemia along with others, and yes, ectopic calcification. Don't confuse the issue as dietary calcium = calcification, though. There are many things to consider, genetics among them.

What's the title of the documentary? I never heard of it

Simon

I would be surprised if the film goes too deep into the literature. It will probably skirt the same arguments that Taubes has made in some interviews like this one:





I hope the documentarian is pushing the idea that fast food does not equal automatic weight gain, which I completely agree with and think was a big negative of Supersize Me.

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