Multivitamins

Started by prismatic_light , Nov 29 2005 01:37 AM

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#1 prismatic_light

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 01:37 AM

Ok, say I were a billionare who likes his multivitamins. What would I purchase? I've seen many multi's I like, but what is the best out there? I'm not looking at cost here, I mean what is the best multivitamin supplementation available.

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 01:57 AM

There are cheaper multi's around here, but if cost is not important, AOR Ortho-Core and LEF Mix are often mentioned. If you're only going to take one multi you would probably do well with the LEF Mix, known as the "kitchen sink" product.

If you're willing to add a few other products to tailor your vitamin intake based on your personal requirements, Ortho-Core is a good place to start. It does take quite a bit of work if you have extended needs. For instance, I have diabetes, arthritis, and I had a stroke. No "all-in-one" multi would meet my requirements. Are you exactly average?

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 08:24 AM

If you have the money check
http://vitacost.com/...VitaminVersion3

Didn't check how good it is, i just know it's the most expensive

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#4 rfarris

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 04:52 PM

I was using NSI multi's before I started hanging out here. In fact, I'm still using the NSI Synergy Energy every-other day until I run out -- about 2 more weeks. I studied the one that is $250/month and all the ingredients are top-notch. e.g. R-ALA instead of ALA, et al. Again, though, that's one of those kitchen-sink multis, and it might not leave room for personal tailoring.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 12:10 AM

if you wanna swallow 9 pills a day, AOR ortho core is the way to go...

if you wanna swallow 2 pills(or 1 tablet) a day, pioneer 1+ is the way

#6 johnmk

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 02:52 AM

I take six a day of the AOR Ortho Core product. I think it's the best formulation out there.

#7 buck1s

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 04:30 PM

ajnast4r, that pioneer 1+ really can't compare to Ortho Core.

- contains iron
- no so great vitamin E
- too small amounts of the interesting things

I'll give them credit in that they do try to use the correct form of vitamins in most cases.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 04:41 PM

NSI is not good. Contains less effective ingredients, such as magnesium oxide, which is poorly absorbed.

I'm not a billionaire, but cost is no barrier to the supplements I take, and I use LEF's powder mix. Their pill version is just as good (I think 9 per day). I've yet to find anything better, and LEF is great about continually improving their formula based on new research. In fact, they've just improved it again in the last month.

Still, with any formula like this, I just consider it a good start, and you'll need to supplement further with fish oil, GLA, green tea extract, SOD, resveratrol, NAC, and various other essentials.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 05:54 PM

Thanks. I read about the expensive synergy mixes, and I didn't like the fact that it had so much of everything. I would rather supplement brain enhancements separately, so I can play with the dosages. I looked at Ortho-Core and LEF's powder mix, and I'm debating over which one is better; I like both.

rfarris- I'm somewhat average, but I'm overweight (19 6'5' 235 LBS.) Otherwise, I haven't had any medical complaints apart from viruses and a sprained ankle .

buck1s&ajnast4r- I'd rather not supplement iron, it's kind of dangerous since I'm male (so I heard).

dukenukem- I'm not a billionare either, but I like to know what people think when there isn't some monetary barrier. I still am trying to get enough researching done to figure out everything I might consider taking, but time is a barrier for me.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 07:49 PM

ajnast4r, that pioneer 1+ really can't compare to Ortho Core.

- contains iron
- no so great vitamin E
- too small amounts of the interesting things

I'll give them credit in that they do try to use the correct form of vitamins in most cases.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert

it comes iron free

i take a E complex anyway, so thats not an issue for me or most people on this board

its a basic multi, not meant to have any large amounts of the interesting things

#11 rfarris

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 08:02 PM

NSI is not good. Contains less effective ingredients, such as magnesium oxide, which is poorly absorbed.

I think you blew past the part where we are talking about NSI's Synergy Platinum. NSI makes a couple of dozen different multis, but Platinum, their $280/mo version doesn't have any "less effective ingredients," at least that I can find. For instance, NSI Platinum magnesium:

Magnesium (as hydroxide, succinate, malate, taurinate)

On the other hand, their low-end one-a-days are not as good.

#12 DukeNukem

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:26 PM

Just checked out the Platinum Synergy version, which is generally impressive. However, I wouldn't dare touch it due the inclusion of iron. Maybe for a female before 40 years of age, but not for males. Iron build-up is truly a pro-aging concern.

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 01:02 AM

ortho-core hands down.... combined with ortho-mind and you've got an amazing mix, definately the best overall combo on the planet.

#14 rfarris

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 01:40 AM

Just checked out the Platinum Synergy version ... I wouldn't dare touch it due the inclusion of iron.

Heh heh. One of the attributes of Platinum is that almost every ingredient has it's own cap. (71 ingredients) You could probably just fish out all the iron caps.

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 09:13 AM

VRP's Optimum 6 and Life Enhancement's BioEnhance
look like good all-round, medium-level multis at a
moderate cost.

http://vrp.com/det/3310.asp

http://www.1to1vitam...ucts/10254.html

http://www.life-enha...roduct.asp?ID=7

The retinol palmitate in both formulas is on the high
side, though.

Kal's Enhanced Energy Supreme also looks good.
I quite like this product as the B-vitamins come
partly as coenzymes, something overlooked in
even some of the more exotic and expensive multis.

http://www.nutraceut...uct_index=71210

http://vitanetonline...reme-Iron-Free/

Even the basic, lower-cost Enhanced Energy has
the B coenzyme forms. I order this regularly for
my elder brother.

http://betterlife.co...sp?prod_id=7629

Edited by tham, 02 December 2005 - 02:56 PM.

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 09:29 AM

NSI is not good. Contains less effective ingredients, such as magnesium oxide, which is poorly absorbed.

Yes, I have noted that NSI's very expensive and
exotic multis containing state-of-the-art antioxidants and
antiglycation nutrients and herbs, has magnesium in the
cheapest, worst-absorbed oxide form, something normally
only the basic lower-end multis contain.

They could have used magnesium malate, which costs
just a bit more and is far more absorbable and versatile
- malic acid chelates aluminium as an added bonus.

Admittedly, magnesium malates take up a lot of space
though, with only about 15% elemental magnesium
content.

http://www.oralchela...ical/malic2.htm

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 10:51 PM

Yes, I have noted that NSI's very expensive and exotic multis ... has magnesium in the cheapest, worst-absorbed oxide form ... They could have used magnesium malate

Magnesium (as hydroxide, succinate, malate, taurinate)

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Posted 03 December 2005 - 02:56 PM

Magnesium (as hydroxide, succinate, malate, taurinate)

This appears to be only available in the flagship Synergy Platinum.

The other quite costly multis - Synergy Max, Ultra, Advanced
and the rest of the range, right down to the basic ones,
have magnesium as the oxide form.

#19 rfarris

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 12:57 AM

Tham, you sort of lost the fox here. This topic is about which multis a billionaire would take. And in particular, any comments about the NSI multis were explicitly about Synergy Platinum. Go back through the thread, and you'll find all the comments about Synergy Platinum.

Thank you, though, for your normal, typical, thorough information.

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Posted 05 December 2005 - 12:58 PM

What about Lifepak from Pharmanex?

http://www.pharmanex...pip/lifepak.pdf

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Posted 06 December 2005 - 01:51 AM

What about Lifepak from Pharmanex?

Yeah. What about it?

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Posted 07 December 2005 - 10:01 AM

Pharmanex is a direct-selling company.

Some of its promoters came over to the pharmacy
below my office last year or so. They brought along
their "Biophotonic" scanner, which is supposed to
scan with a blue light, the antioxidant, or rather
carotenoid level, in your skin. The light is shone
on your palm for a minute or so.

They tested mine and it read 44,000. Typical levels
are supposed to be about 20,000. I heard one lady
tested at 70,000.

http://www.pharmanex...esentation.html

The demonstration was meant to promote the benefits of
their LifePak multi product, though of course purchasing
it was an option. One of the office staff here was also
promoting this some time back.

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Posted 21 December 2005 - 07:55 AM

What about Lifepak from Pharmanex?

http://www.pharmanex...pip/lifepak.pdf

Whoa, I thought Pharmanex was supposed to be a high-quality supp company.
* Some B-vitamins pretty low
* Ridiculous amounts of some components: 45mg of catchetins (of which, presumably, about 40% is EGCG). That's very, very low. 15mg of lipoic acid? 12.5mg of bioflavonids?
* What form is the selenium in? I would expect the generic term "selenium" from Centrum.
* There's probably more, but it's late and I'm tired.

Looked through their site. So, so very much hype. Maybe if they spent less time hyping themselves their products would improve.

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Posted 08 January 2006 - 09:13 PM

I use Optimum Nutrition's Opti-Men ( $16.00 )

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 2 Tablets
Package Size: 120 Tablets
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Vitamin A(as CaroCare® natural mixed carotenoids) 7,500 IU 150%*
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 300 mg 500%*
Vitamin D (as cholecalciferol) 200 IU 50%*
Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopherol succinate) 200 IU 667%*
Vitamin K (as phytonadione) 75 mcg 94%*
Thiamin (as thiamin hydrochloride) 30 mg 2000%*
Riboflavin 30 mg 1765%*
Niacin (as niacinamide) 30 mg 150%*
Vitamin B6(as pyridoxine hydrochloride) 30 mg 1500%*
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%*
Vitamin B12(as cyanocobalamin) 100 mcg 1667%*
Biotin 250 mcg 83%*
Pantothenic Acid (as d-calcium pantothenate) 30 mg 300%*
Calcium (as calcium carbonate, citrate) 200 mg 20%*
Iodine (as kelp) 150 mcg 100%*
Magnesium (as magnesium oxide, aspartate) 100 mg 25%*
Zinc (as zinc citrate) 30 mg 200%*
Selenium (as selenomethionine) 70 mcg 100%*
Copper (as copper gluconate) 2 mg 100%*
Manganese (as manganese gluconate) 5 mg 250%*
Chromium (as chromium GTF) 120 mcg 100%*
Molybdenum (as molybdenum A.A. chelate) 80 mcg 107%*
Raw Oyster Concentrate 50 mg †
Saw Palmetto, powdered (berries) 100 mg †
Pygeum Africanum, powdered (bark) 70 mg †
Damiana, powdered (leaf) 100 mg †
Nettles, powdered (leaf) 30 mg †
Lycopene (as LYC-O-MATO™ natural tomato lycopene) 250 mcg †
Alpha-Carotene 140 mcg †
Cryptoxanthin 34 mcg †
Zeaxanthin 28 mcg †
Lutein 250 mcg †
Alpha Lipoic Acid 25 mg †
Citrus Bioflavonoids (fruit) 70 mg †
Grape Seed Extract 25 mg †
(Vitis vinifera) (seed)
(standardized to 95% polyphenols)
Deodorized Garlic, powdered (bulb) 50 mg †
Ginkgo Biloba, powdered (leaf) 70 mg †
Korean Ginseng, powdered (root) 100 mg †
PABA (para-aminobenzoic acid) 10 mg †
Choline (as choline bitartrate) 10 mg †
Inositol 10 mg †
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

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Posted 09 January 2006 - 01:31 AM

Looks pretty much like Dante said about the Pharmanex product. It looks to me like the ingredients with a little sword next to them at the end of the list stands for "insignficant amount." 25 mg of ALA?

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