Yea piracetam did enhance my concetration but it caused me other issues. Look, dude, meditate your ass off everyday and take a fair amount of DL phenylalanine. If that doesn't work get some modafinil and be safe.

Quit boxing as soon as possible.

Brain is extremely sensitive to physical stress. You may have a higher chance of getting senility in later life.

This topic might help you.

Take care.

only one suggestions, search for an add forum, they can help you there..

I must say I’m wary happy no one made me take amphetamine like drugs when I was a kid. they actually get a farley large dos as well. the maximum daily dos of kids on Ritalin seams to be 60 mg, for six years old that pretty match.

The kids how get this stuff get the same side effects as a drug addict only match les, they might even Rarely get hallucinations; but more commonly they will have: lowered appetite, hard to sleep, anxiety and depression.

Most of those kids probably doesn’t have any brain disorder they simply have a strong will and can’t tolerate authority. Usually they are wary active and learn a lot by them self.






What do you mean dos acetylcholine inhibit dopamine realise?



To large dos might be harmful for the liver, I don’t think its that bad but some carefulness might be good. Meditation is weary good in a way it has added a new aspect to my life. One can supplement with DMAE as well, it seams fairly safe to me. an I would like to mention L-theanine again as well.

Dexedrine probably has the least side-affects of the stimulants that you mentioned (although you didn't mention Dex). There is usually minimal impact on heart rate and bp, especially compared to Adderall. Altough the same could be said for Modafinil, it will make you feel awake and alert but probably wont help much with concentration and mental focus. Many people seem to only experience a subtle if at all perceptible effect from nootropics, whereas the effect of a stimulant is usually unmistakeable and can be life-changing for someone with ADHD.

This post has been edited by niteinnyc: Apr 26 2007, 12:06 PM

Not necissarily, but dystonic and parkisonian type syndromes have been proposed as either damage to the basal ganglia or an overdrive of aceytlcholine or noradrenaline in the same area. If you go by the dynamic developmental theory of attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder then increasing aceytlcholine to great amounts may have an effect on movement. I, however, was taking an anti-psychotic about 6 months ago for about a month, and this in itself messed with my dopaminergic system making me ever so sensitive to cholinergics. I will say that before taking this devilish pill that i was sensitive to cholinergics to begin with and this just worsened the issue. I mean even now i still suffer from drug-induced parkinsonism like symptoms. Hopefully these will go away.....

dont bother, this forum is filled with hippies that are afraid of the great stimulants

I am a diagnosed case of severe ADHD, very similar to your description; I'm a computer engineer and I went to my doctor because I was just unable to work. I did not try Strattera but all of the other, sometimes mixed. According to readings and scientific evidences, I would say that modafinil is the safest. According to my personal experience it’s the worst, so many side effects that I just can’t stand it. Before nootropics, my regimen was Adderall 30mg + Ritalin 60mg.

According to my experience: maybe racetam’s can do something for you, as they do for me. Nootropikamil is certainly a well-informed guy and he did say that racetam’s are not working because there is no scientific evidence of it, but science know that absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It seems that racetam’s are not working for everybody but for me they did miracles. Pramiracetam made me get rid of brain stimulants and the results are by far better in many aspects, although very differents in nature. Aniracetam also do well for my adhd but staying on top of the wave with it is tricky, because of short half-life and absorption. My life is now back on track and the train is much more powerful.

This post has been edited by saphir: Apr 28 2007, 01:04 PM

first, srry with my previous post, but i'm a bit upset with some claims made about stimulants

nootropic can work great for your ADD, everyone is differend, some ppl dont respond ot ritalin but can concentrate and learn better from some weed!

Brain stimulants were working great for my adhd but they were causing me some serious problems: tips on the tong, jaw and teeth problems (as meth users but at a lower scale), rosacea and obviously sleep problems.

Have you ever come across any studies on the possible long term affects of stimulant usage? It seems that while these have been studied for many decades, all of the research has been done on short term affects, at least from what I have seen. I'm also wondering, from all of the readings and evidences that you have come across pointing to modafinil as the safest, is the reasoning behind that cardiac related, or is there more?

I really hope they will to. I’m yeast curious now, I hope you don’t mind me asking, but do you now how you react to nicotin? dos it immediately stop the parkinsonism like symptoms?

I hade no idée that tobacco had such a significant effect on the nerve system, before reading nightlight posts. it almost appears as if its a superior analog to acetylcholine, and that the smoker actually upgrade his nerve system.

narcissisistic: cigarettes are wavy with me. Overall i do get an enhanced cognition but i m not exactly sure about my coordination. I have tried to assess myself from time to time and honestly it seems as if it has worsened them (my conditions). Most of the time i smoke cigarettes when i have a drink or two, so the alcohol has an effect on my movement and is hard to assess fully. Cigarettes, i will say, do help with depression and some ADHD symptoms if you continue to smoke them for a couple of weeks daily. I also highly recommend against this.

It seems your biochemical networks have sensed the therapeutic properties of tobacco smoke in countering some damaging effects of alcohol. In addition to the immediately perceivable reduction in cognitive impairmant from alcohol, there is a more subtle effect of upregulated antioxidant activity. Namely, tobacco smoking doubles the levels of the vital detox enzyme catalase (and several others, including glutathione and SOD), which, among its numerous protective roles includes neutralizing of alcohols (as well as of cyanide, formaldehyde, toxic metals...). Hence anyone drinking alcohol will instinctively perceive tobacco smoke as a quite effective antidote to alcohol (and many other intoxicating or damaging substances/exposures) at multiple levels and on different time scales.



The common supermarket cigarettes are not made from tobacco leaf at all but from "tobacco" sheets (colored and flavored mix of tobacco scraps with wood pulp and other cheap fillers). They are thus to real tobacco leaf what processed junk foods are to organic, whole foods. Further, cigarette filters, in addition to shedding non-biodegradable fibers (which eventually have to be enclosed into mucous liquid and coughed out), shift the finely honed (over seven millennia of lifelong use by 2-3 billions of test subjects) balance of medicinal components in the natural tobacco smoke toward less beneficial ratios. Note that nicotine patches not only lack the MAO B, immune/antioxidant and endocrine effects of the real tobacco smoke, but such delivery mechanism misses the dynamical and instant feedback elements of traditional smoking, essential for optimal dosing, rhythms and benefits of exercise effect.



For those wishing to experiment with the real 'gift of gods', the presently best approach is to get organic, additive free rolling tobacco, such as American Spirit (more info here; see also other 'natural' brands), and make their own non-filtered cigarettes (smoked via cigarette holders) or smoke it in a pipe. Using the current injection machines making a pack takes less than 5 minutes after only few days of practice:




Tuned up injector from SYO site:

I hate to burst your bubble nightlite, BUT smoking that crap is just as bad IMO than buying a pack of Newports at the gas station.

You are smoking GMO modified tobacco that is anything but natural.

If you want to truly smoke natural, you have to buy the organic tobacco such as American Spirit Organic Blend.

A lesson to be learned is to not let the unnatural term of "Natural" fool you. Don't feel bad though. A lot of people don't realize this.

Now go throw away all of those cancer sticks you've rolled and buy some organic tobacco and start over!


edit: I see you say to buy organic, but all I see within your pictures is the natural yet unorganic tobacco.

Thanks, Saphir!
I will defenetly try Pramiracetam, is it good for long term? Are you still on?
Any side effects?

Many “scientifical facts” are realty skams where the selection is not on random but is made in order to substantiate the hypothesis. Usury this is done by medical companies that is interest in making money by authorize the use of there harmful drugs. But what is the motive on this; way sub stain and spread the myth that tobacco is harmful and case lung cancer? Yeast because of its possible medical value thats simply to far-fetched.

Maybe its true that people likely to have lung cancer have a inclination to smoking. I do now that people witch schizophrenia do not get there illness from smoking weed, as have bin claimed, but on the contrary self medicate with out being aware of it. neither dos meat, eggs and saturated fat case hart attacks but people likely to have hart attacks seams to like this food probably because it contains carnosin and other components supporting cardiovascular health.

However it seams as if people in arias where chewing Betel nut is common are several of times more likely to develop cancer in there mouth, this kind of cancer are wary uncommon. I have hard to believe that some other component other than the nicotine case this and it seams even more unlikely that all people chewing Betel nut would have some other common denominator that really cases the cancer. Any way if the nicotine in the Betel nut really is a protective factor the ting casing cancer would be of serious nature.

nightlight what’s you’re opinion of the Datura plants as medical plants? Yeast as tobacco they have bin one of the most important medical plants in history (some times combined witch tobacco). And Yeast as nicotine they have a set of receptors related to acetylcholine but wear nicotine is stimulating Atropine (or is it scopolamine?) has calming effect on the nerve system. Maybe thaws two plants holed the optimal solution for many illnesses?

This post has been edited by narcissistic: Apr 29 2007, 06:45 PM

Pramiracetam is not for long-term. There are some who won't touch the stuff because of something about the NO production in the brain. I take piracetam and aniracetam right now, and I won't touch pramiracetam.

Luv2, what you mean by that "no production in the brain"?
2. Why it is not for long term?

This post has been edited by reflexus: Apr 29 2007, 07:37 PM

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