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Dude, sorry to say so but that plan sounds absolutly horrible! Amphetamine's are higly addictive and very unreliable (street-form) as far as toxicity goes. Not to mansion that it'll be a very expensive joke and you'll probably build up tolerance quiete fast (so you'll need even higher dosages including higher risks).

It's definitly no constructive solution for the long run and I would suggest to consult a doctor or
at least reconsider Modafinil.

so you are self medicating with STREET AMPHETAMINE...
this honestly takes the cake as the STUPIDEST thing i have ever heard on this forum.

not only is it a bad idea to self medicate with any form of amphetamine, but with pharmaceutical amphetamine (adderall etc) being very readily available, even with no script... the fact that you would go buy meth... it just BLOWS MY MIND. honestly im dumbfounded...

quit being an idiot and go see a doctor... jesus

Well it's impossible to get modafinil if you don't have narcolepsy in Sweden, so that's out. I've also tried modafinil in spain and it didn't help alleviate any of my symptoms.
Secondly, I'll purify my amphetamine to remove all the waste products and amphetamine is hardly expensive here either. And it's not meth, we basically don't have meth here, just the dextroamph and levo version.

Oh and adderall (amphetamine) isn't an approved drug here either so I can't get pharmaceutical grade either..

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Have you considered Rilatin or Concerta (methylphenidate)?

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you are talking about producing amphetamine at home...
am i the only one that see the RIDICULOUSNESS of this?

honestly this post should be deleted because stuff like this gives imminst a bad name... you are obviously NOT listening to the good advice that is being given to you.

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You really aren't listening, no I'm not gonna produce my own amphetamine, I'm just gonna extract it from the impurities using methanol. It's basic chemistry, not like I've started an UG-lab here. Amphetamine are used with good success for people who have ADHD/symptoms that I have. I've read the studies on primates showing neurotoxicity and I'm gonna stay under the dose that produce those results. I'm also gonna try bupropion (sp? It's called Zyban in Sweden) and see how that works out before I start taking amphetamines. I really don't see how this is more ridiculous than taking adderall for ADHD/ADD. And also you have no idea (I think, otherwise tell me so) how I feel and how much other medication I've tried to fix this problem of mine without any success.

Purerealm, do you think taking microdoses (10-20mg) of amphetamine will lower my endogenous dopamine to such a low level that I'll actually be worse when I go off?

Graatch, I've sought professional, been to a psychiatrist and all. They thought I was depressed, but me on SSRI for over a year. Didn't help.

Revnik, Aye I'll try ritalin/concerta before I try the amphetamine if you think it's a valid option. Thank you very much.

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That's a much better idea.

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Even if Adderall isn't available in Sweden, there's plenty of other options as some have pointed out: Dexedrine, Rilatin, Concerta, and Stratera (sp?) just to name a few.

If your doc is completely bent on saying you're depressed, see if he's willing to prescribe Wellbutrin. That is NOT an SSRI antidepressant and has known to be quite stimulating. Hopefully your doc is open to reason -- SSRIs don't work so it's time to try something different!

Seriously, man, whatever you do, don't turn to street drugs. You're obviously bright enough to research and seek some help...why waste it? Is it possible to find a different psychiatrist, perhaps?

EDIT: Whoops, just realized bupropion/Zyban IS Wellbutrin! Good choice

purifying street amph at home is no different in my eyes than making your own. its still incredibly dangerous.

it wouldn't be that hard to have a friend in another country middle man you some adderall... im also gonna 3rd the advice on trying bupropion. i think you will find norepinephrine/dopamine uptake inhibitors considerably more stimulating & motivating than any ssri... a good place to start before moving into amphetamines.

dont blow this off, but have you tried a pharma grade rhodiola extract? swedish herbal instituite makes one called rosenrot that would be worth trying, and should be pretty readily available to you considering your location.

amphetamines (adderal) and dextro-amphetamines (dexedrine) will probably improve your condition for a while (most people react well to amphetamines)

All amphetamines are also neuro-toxic, addictive, tolerance-inducing, ...

Amphetamines are just a way to "overclock" yourself to get better results, but in the end it's not "food" for the body, it's just a cheap hack. Low dosages will just slow down the inevitable.

After checking for thyroid:

You should really try the dopamine side of things. Simply put, when you have enough dopamine the urge to do things gets stronger and stronger up to the point where you just "have" to do things.


Have you ever been manic?
To see if you are not "broken", try raising your dopamine with l-tyrosine. If you get jaw-clenching, eye movements,insomnia and urge to do things you are borderline manic, and thus not "broken" (ie: there is hope if you manage your dopamine well). *

Take advice with grain of salt




Really, Deprenyl could be a life saver.

Order the liquid version (selepryl from biogenesis), and take LOW dosages (someone mentioned 2.5/day, 10-15 week, that is WAY too much for a 19 year old, more in line with 40-50)


Try 1 drop (1mg) 3* a week.

This way you will see if it is dopamine related, AND you will get a low dose of converted amphetamines from the deprenyl, but not enough to cause damage like Adderal, Dexedrine and your own meth lab.


So I agree with the rest that

Liquid Deprenyl
L-tyrosine (not too much with former)
High grade rhodiola (dopamine + epinephrine)

Are probably your best bets.

Ritalin could help...

You might also be fit for a 3 month seshin in a buddhist temple, followed by 3 months in a Mexican cave with peyote-drinking shamans.

After that your motivation to do things might come back, or you might lose all motivation for real and fall into the ego-less void.

here is the source for the pharm grade rhodiola:
http://www.shi.se/

in america:
http://www.proactivebio.com/


i think a combo of rhodiola (200mg3%/1%) + tyrosine (500mg) + caffeine (100mg) would be worth trying

first it starts off at 10-20 mg, then maybe a year or two down the road after you've been using it w/ much success you say it couldn't hurt if you go up to 30, after the 20 mg that yielded such good results doesn't work as well as it used to, by this time you're using any sort of reason to justify your extended use. and then next thing you know you find yourself in a hospital from an overdose

i have rhodiola from bulknutrition but it's so hard to cap it i have 00 capsules and i from what i've read that much rhodiola actually makes it ineffective. where did you guys find that rhodiola helps w/ dopamine and epinephrine?

I am in the same boat as OP.

Rhodiola tastes and works much better in hot water

Put 200mg in a tea or just hot water, be a man and drink.

Rhodiola immediately brings a nice warmth to the belly, and you'll realize it tastes good

I subjectively get better mu-, delta- and kappa-opioid receptor activation (mellowness and chill) with heated rhodiola.

And I'm addicted to the taste.

Hello stargazer.

Do you not even have strong motivation to meet girls? For me its one of the few things I really like doing, every thing ells is just thing I have to do because I realise that the consequences would be serious if I didn’t, or things I like doing because it better then many other things that I do on a daily basis because I have to, or thirdly things I do because I know it improves my chances of getting the girls I want.

we are from the same country by the way, witch city are you from?

Take care.

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has anyone else noticed side effects from rhodiola? for me, after three days or so, it causes an extreme depressive episode.

I've tried rhodiola for a few days several times and didn't found it effective at all. It might have been bad extract though or I might have been to tired in general to notice any effects...

im a big fan of rhodiola and have been using it for a while... ive found it to have MARKED mood stabilizing/improving and motivating properties.

ive also found that rhodiola quality for some reason, varies GREATLY between manufacturer... and can even vary from lot to lot from a single manufacturer.


i bit the bullet and bought the more expensive, patented extract from the swedish herbal institute (www.proactivebio.com)... its about 20$ per 40 doses, but it is standardized for quite a few active compounds in comparison to the usual 2. it also has preservatives added to assure the stability of the actives... its more along the lines of a drug than a common herbal extract. its also been used in quite a few clinical studies (double blind, placebo controlled etc etc) rather successfully.

ive used it for two day so far, and felt the familiar lovey-happy motivation from it even on the first dose.

one word my friend....testosterone. [lol]

have you had a saliva test for T levels? one of the more dramatic aspects of male aging includes "andropause" and its associated symptoms; lack of motivation, apathy, timidity, ect.

I'm not saying that T will solve all your problems, but given its importance in the human males physiology, its importance simply cannot be understated. It is essentially what makes a you a guy.

there is a reason why inner city ex felons succeed in making more money in 1 year than 99% of the highly intelligent people that post on this forum.


Testosterone and the ambition, motivation, and aggression that comes with it.

I would reccomend getting a full panel run, along with T levels. And seeing a competent physician is the first step you should take.


good luck, I hope you get better