Another SMI2LE.BIZ horror story

Hondo, go to 1fast400 and order there, for things they don't have check www.beyond-a-century.com, they are also reliable and cheap.

Hondo, if you care about your body and brain, shop at smi2le.biz. If you want to get something that "might be" or "could be" safe or what it is advertised as being, go to 1fast400 or beyond-a-century.com.

I am an independent consumer in this market. I have tested several of the products that are sold by smi2le.biz, in exchange for store credit. The products that are sold at 1fast400 or beyond-a-century.com are not tested by an independent third party; therefore you are making the gamble that these products are safe when imported from countries, such as China and India. If you feel comfortable taking large doses of substances from an unregualted market, that is your choice.

Source:


FDA WARNINGS ON CHINESE PATENT MEDICINES

IA #66-10 - REVISED 2/21/91,

"Chinese Herbal Medicines",

ATTACHMENT A - 08/11/99, ATTACHMENT B - 6/6/00

PROBLEM : New drug without an approved new drug application (DRND) and labeling lacks adequate directions for intended use (DRDW). COUNTRY : HONG KONG (HK, 435) TAIWAN (TW, 281) PEOPLES' REPUBLIC OF CHINA (CN, 280) MANUFACTURER/ SHIPPER : MULTIPLE MANUFACTURER SHIPPER I.D.# : N/A IMPORTER'S I.D.# :

N/A CHARGE : When accompanied by drug claims, charge: "The article is subject to refusal of admission pursuant to 801(a)(3) in that it appears the labeling fails to bear adequate directions for use for its intended purposes (misbranded; 502(f)(1) and it appears to be a new dug without an effective new drug application [unapproved new drug; 505(a)]". When unaccompanied by drug claims, charge: "The article is subject to refusal of admission pursuant to 801(a)(3) in that it appears the labeling fails to bear adequate directions for use for its intended purposes [misbranded; 502(f)(1)]". RECOMMENDING OFFICE : LOS-DO

REASON FOR ALERT : Chinese herbal medications have a history, dating back to 1974, of containing strong prescription drugs. In 1974, four cases of agranulocytosis, resulting in the death of one person and extensive hospitalization of three others, were linked to use of these preparations. FDA analysis of pills involved in the illnesses found phenylbutazone and aminopyrine, and analyses of other "herbal medications" found methyl testosterone, prednisolone, diazepam, chlorzoxazone, and acetaminophen. In 1980, several illnesses and another death were linked to use of Chinese herbal medications, particularly chuifong toukuwan. Analysis of chuifong toukuwan from various sources found indomethacin, hydrochlorothiazide, chlordiazepoxide, lead, and cadmium.

In 1983, an additional brand of the chuifong toukuwan variety labeled only in Chinese (translated as product number 13 of attachment A below) appeared in the Portland, Oregon area. Trademark is a pair of concentric units surrounding a drag on intertwined about the numeral "7" (Seven Dragon Brand). The pills come 60 to a bag in a white plastic bag with a zip-lock closure. FDA analysis has found phenylbutazone at 10 to 18 milligrams per pill in the product.

In 1988, the Food and Drug Branch of the California State Department of Health Services issued a press release announcing an enforcement initiative against dangerous Chinese and other Asian ethnic medicines. Attachment B lists the products involved, the reputed manufacturer, and the hazardous ingredients contained. Currently, herbal pills are being marketed containing a combination of four drugs: diazepam, indomethacin, hydrochlorothiazide, and mefanamic acid. These pills are marketed under a variety of names and in a variety of packagings. They are spherically shaped, approximately 3/8" in diameter, and have a shiny black exterior. When the pills are cracked open, white crystalline material is observed to be imbedded in the brown interior.None of the products list the drug substances as ingredients. Investigation has shown that the pills originate from several sources, and usually enter the country via air mail shipments to health food stores, oriental food stores, novelty shops, and individual consumers. They are occasionally sold door-to- door.

These products are listed in attachment A. INSTRUCTIONS : Please inform your local U.S. Customs and Postal Service officials of our interest in these types of products, especially mail entries.

So the above is CLEAR EVIDENCE (proof) that Chinese imports which are sold in US with the presumption that they are free from contaminants (so that means that each and every one of the products listed above found to have adulterants were SUPPOSEDLY assayed for adulterants AND metals) ARE IN FACT DANGEROUS!

And note that the piracetam, aniracetam, pyritinol, L-Carnosine, and several more LE supps and nootropics ARE NOT subjected to the same scrutiny standards as these "PATENT" medicines. NOOTROPICS AND LE SUPPS ARE NOT REGULATED EITHER! So serious safety concerns might be associated with these nootropic/LE medicines!
Now: the PATENT medicines have a LOT more to lose by including adulterants; so presume what your bulk supplier has to lose by selling you deadly contaminants; and consider if that is a good exchange for your life.

Link to the source used below

Toxic Heavy Metals and Undeclared Drugs in Asian Herbal Medicines

by Edzard Ernst

This article will also appear in Trends in Pharmacological Sciences. Issue 120

Abstract Asian herbal medicines are currently used by large sections of the population. Because they are not regulated as medicines and are freely available to everyone, serious safety concerns might be associated with these herbal medicines.

In this article, evidence suggesting that some Asian herbal medicines contain toxic heavy metals or undeclared prescription drugs is reviewed. In particular, Indian and Chinese preparations have been implicated.

Although adulteration with drugs is by definition fraudulent, the inclusion of heavy metals could be either intentional for alleged medicinal purposes or accidental.

Evidence from various countries implies that toxic heavy metals and undeclared prescription drugs in Asian herbal medicines might constitute a serious health problem. However, the majority of the data is anecdotal and insufficient to define prevalence figures.

Ways ought to be found to maximize consumer safety.

In most developed countries, Asian herbal medicines (AHMs) are becoming more and more popular [1]. However, usually AHMs are not regulated as medicines. Problems might arise as a result of the lack of adequate regulations, the pharmacological complexity of herbal products, and the paucity of information on the pharmacology and toxicity of these compounds. AHMs can be purchased from outlets ranging from health-food stores to Internet sites, and thus a crucial evaluation of their safety is relevant and important.

One obvious safety issue relates to the possibility that some AHMs contain heavy metals or undeclared drugs [2]. Based on a review of the recent medical literature (Medline, Embase 1990-2001), this article aims to summarize the recent evidence pertaining to this subject.

Indian Remedies Indian medical systems (e.g. Ayurveda and Unani) have a long and rich history of herbal medicine, and heavy metals have been a regular and deliberate constituent of traditional Indian remedies [3]. Thus, to use the term "contamination" with respect to the presence of heavy metals in such remedies might be misleading (see below).

A London-based toxicology unit published a case series of adverse events associated with traditional medicines that were reported to them between 1991 and 1995 [4]. Of 12 cases of poisoning with lead, arsenic or mercury, nine cases were associated with herbal remedies from India and the remainder was due to traditional Indian cosmetics (e.g., "surma.")

A recent exemplary case report from Italy [5] (box 1) exhibits many hallmarks of such cases: desperate parents, non-medically qualified healers, lack of product standards, undeclared ingredients, nondisclosure of usage and long-term medication, in addition to delay of diagnosis of poisoning and hence delay of effective therapy. Indian authors recently analyzed 31 Ayurvedic formulations obtained in India for their mercury content [6].

With the exception of one remedy, all exceeded the legal limits of 1 ppm mercury and 16 preparations exceeded the limits by more than two orders of magnitude. These authors also noted that huge variability of mercury content existed within one allegedly identical remedy manufactured by different companies.

No recent systematic investigations are available about the prevalence of heavy metal content of traditional Indian remedies on sale in developed countries.
Thus, a considerable degree of uncertainty continues to surround this area.

Chinese Remedies Numerous case reports and case series of heavy metal poisoning associated with the use of traditional Chinese medicines (TCMs) have been published [7]; lead has relatively often been implicated as the cause of such poisoning but mercury, cadmium, arsenic, copper, and thallium have also been found in TCMs [7].

Californian officials have screened for undeclared pharmaceuticals and heavy metals in imported Chinese remedies on sale in Californian herbal retail stores [8]. Seven percent of the 251 products tested contained undeclared pharmaceuticals (e.g., ephedrine, chlorpheniramine, methyltestosterone, and phenacetin). Twenty-four products contained at least 10 ppm lead, 36 contained an average of 14.6 ppm arsenic, 35 contained an average of 1,046 ppm mercury, and 23 had more than one contaminant and/or adulterant.

Koh and Woo [9] reported the detection of toxic heavy metals that exceeded Singapore's legal limits in 42 Chinese proprietary medicines. They collected 2,080 samples of such medicines in Singapore and tested them for heavy metal content. Forty-two different medicines were found to contain metals in amounts exceeding the legal limits.

Mercury was found in 28 products, lead in eight, arsenic in six, and copper in one. One product contained both mercury and lead and another product contained both mercury and arsenic. Melchart et al. [10] analyzed all 317 batches of dried Chinese herbs delivered to a German hospital of Chinese medicine.

Heavy metal content beyond the legal limits was detected in 3.5% of these samples. Obviously, heavy metals are not the only possible toxic ingredients in herbal remedies; contamination with herbicides, pesticides, microorganisms; or mycotoxins, insects, or undeclared herbal constituents are other relevant possibilities [2,11-13].

Moreover, contamination with toxic herbal constituents (e.g., through misidentification of the herbal ingredients) can be a serious problem. In Belgium, the use of a TCM contaminated with plants from the Aristolochia species resulted in an epidemic of subacute intestinal nephropathy. Many of the affected patients required kidney transplantation. When 19 kidneys and urethras removed from ten such patients were examined histologically, there were conclusive signs of neoplasms in 40% of cases [14].

Numerous case reports originating from countries such as Australia, Belgium, China, the Netherlands, New Zealand, United Kingdom, and United States demonstrate the adulteration of TCMs with synthetic drugs and associate the use of adultered remedies with health problems of the user [15]. The adulterants include a wide range of pharmaceuticals (box 2). The resulting clinical consequences are often serious and sometimes life threatening: agranulocytosis, Cushing's syndrome, coma, the excessive increase of the international normalized ratio (INR) have all been reported.

In other cases, the adulterants caused no symptoms at all and the problem was discovered only through routine check-ups or through the remarkably good clinical response, which turned out to be due not to the TCM but to the undeclared prescription drug.

Analyses are available of Chinese herbal medicines collected in Australia [16], Taiwan [17] and UK [18]. The largest of these studies is that of Huang and colleagues from Taiwan [17], who showed that 24% of all 2,609 samples collected contained at least one adulterant.

This high prevalence was due to the fact that the samples were associated with reports of adverse effects and poisoning, and possibly included low-grade folk remedies. Examples of recent case reports [19,20] are illustrated in boxes 3 and 4.

Concerns About the Safety of Asian Herbal Medicines

These data raise concerns about the safety of consumers using AHMs. Both toxic heavy metal content and adulteration with prescription drugs have been reported. To date, few data are available to calculate the prevalence of these problems reliably in developed countries.

A recent press release [21] of the British "Medicines Control Agency" stated that this regulatory body "continues to find potentially dangerous and illegal ingredients in TCMs. Recently TCMs have been found to include . . . mercury and arsenic . . . [and] prescription only steroids." It is notable that the majority of clinical problems occur with self-prescription of AHMs.

One could therefore argue that consulting an experienced herbal practitioner might avert adverse events; however, evidence is required to support this claim. Several possibilities exist to explain the presence of heavy metals in AHMs. First, heavy metals could be included intentionally for alleged medicinal properties.

Some Indian schools of medicine emphasize the importance of metals such as lead, copper, gold, iron, mercury, silver, tin and zinc for the proper function of the human body [22]. Ayurvedic textbooks, for example, take note of the toxicity of heavy metals and recommend special physicochemical processes that, according to ancient Indian belief, "detoxify" such toxic heavy metals (e.g. by heating them until they glow [23]).

In traditional Chinese medicine, mercury is part of some preparations under the terminology of "cinnabaris" (mercury sulfide), "calomel" (mercury chloride) or "hydrargyri oxydum rubrum" (mercury oxide). Such products are used for a variety of indications including, for example, as a tranquilliser, an anti-epileptic, for ulcers or to treat insomnia [9]. Lead is used as "Mi Tuo Seng" (Lithargyrum) [24] and arsenic as "Xiong Huang" (Realgar) [25] in the manufacture of several TCMs.

Strictly speaking, these constituents are thus not contaminants but ingredients deliberately included for a specific curative purpose.

Second, the presence of heavy metals might be the result of contamination during manufacture, for example, from grinding weights or lead-increasing containers or other manufacturing utensils [9]. Third, AHMs might contain heavy metals when grown on seriously polluted soil [26].

In this context it is relevant to note that TCMs might also contain animal and mineral products and that these too might be contaminated with heavy metals [27].

Although contamination can be accidental, adulteration is, by definition, fraudulent. The reasons why some AHMs contain prescription drugs are speculative. I suspect that some manufacturers include such ingredients to render their products more clinically effective. If this is the case, it seems obvious that the inclusion of prescription drugs is fraudulent and illegal.

Many consumers are motivated to try AHMs through a misconception that these remedies are inherently safe [28], and there is evidence that the (UK) daily press have their share in perpetuating this myth [29].

Approximately half of the individuals using herbal medicines do not tell their physician [30]. This level of non-communication further increases the risk to the consumer because doctors might fail to diagnose adverse effects caused by treatments of which they are not aware. The majority of people taking herbal remedies combine them with conventional drugs [30]. This opens the possibility of herb-drug interactions [31,32], which, in turn, further raises concern about consumer safety.

Recent evidence suggests that consumers are beginning to become concerned about the risks of under-regulation of dietary supplements, and the majority of US consumers now seem to support [33]: (1) the requirement that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) review the safety of new dietary supplements before their sale; (2) increased authority to remove from sale those products shown to be unsafe; and (3) increased government regulation to ensure that advertising claims about the health benefits of dietary supplements are true.


How can the risk to patients be minimized? An appropriate strategy [34,35] (box 5) should follow several avenues. The consumer should be informed that "natural" does not necessarily mean 'free from risk' and that adverse effects as a result of AHMs are an undeniable reality.

Patients and physicians should be encouraged to talk about the use of AHMs and other complementary/alternative treatments [34] and the possibility of interactions of herbal medicines with prescribed drugs [31,32].

Regulators should consider measures to control this sector of healthcare more effectively. It is concluded that toxic herbal metals and undeclared drugs in AHM represent a potentially serious problem that puts consumers at risk. Means of minimizing this risk must be found and implemented.


Wang, Ang, b. 1615; Hu, Tsung-wen Shen-nung pen ts'ao pei yao i fang ho pien (Herbal and Prescriptions) China, 1740. 6 vols. from The National Library of Medicine.

The New England Journal of Medicine -- September 17, 1998 -- Vol. 339, No. 12

To the Editor:

Asian patent medicines are one component of what are called traditional Chinese medicines. Asian patent medicines comprise multiple products, including herbs, plants, animal parts, and minerals, which are formulated into tablets, pills, or liquids for ease of use. They are widely available in herbal stores and have gained acceptance by the American public as a form of alternative medicine. However, many patent medicines manufactured in Asian countries contain toxic ingredients, such as heavy metals, as well as prescription drugs or unapproved ingredients that may or may not be identified on the label. (1,2) Some have caused serious illness in unsuspecting consumers. (3,4)

The California Department of Health Services, Food and Drug Branch, initiated a study to screen imported Asian patent medicines for undeclared pharmaceuticals and heavy-metal contamination, using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry and atomic-absorption methods. Our objectives were to establish a computer data base for these products; educate the public, the herbal industry, and the medical community about the potential danger of Asian patent medicines; and provide objective information about toxicity.

Of 260 Asian patent medicines that have been collected from California retail herbal stores, 14 had labels that declared pharmaceutical ingredients, and 3 had insufficient sample amounts. Of the remaining 243 products, 17 (7 percent) contained undeclared pharmaceuticals. The most common undeclared ingredients were ephedrine, chlorpheniramine, methyltestosterone, and phenacetin.

A total of 251 products were analyzed for lead, arsenic, and mercury; 9 other samples, including the 3 noted above, were insufficient for this analysis. Twenty-four products contained lead in a quantity of at least 10 parts per million (ppm) (range, 10 to 319; median, 29.8; mean, 54.9). Thirty-six products contained arsenic (range, 20.4 to 114,000 ppm; median, 180.5; mean, 14,553). Thirty-five products contained mercury (range, 22.4 to 5070 ppm; median, 329; mean, 1046); 2 of the 35 had labels that identified only pharmaceutical ingredients. The United States Pharmacopoeia limits heavy metals in most oral pharmaceuticals to 30 ppm, with lower limits for lead, arsenic, and mercury.


Of the 260 products we investigated, at least 83 (32 percent) contained undeclared pharmaceuticals or heavy metals, and 23 had more than one adulterant. The remaining products, which contained no detectable adulterants, cannot be assumed to be safe and free of toxic ingredients, in view of their batch-to-batch inconsistency, as well as limitations in our detection methods.

Richard J. Ko, Pharm.D., Ph.D.
California Department of Health Services
Sacramento, CA 94234-7320

Link to above article

BE CAREFUL!

Click here and read this post about beyond-a-century


And this post too about 1fast400

And consider the results of the assays I have conducted from products from smi2le.biz

Please consider the results of the assays of products from smi2le.biz after considering these definitions:

USP <231> Heavy Metals

The melting point is used in chemistry as a rough guide to purity, since a pure crystalline compound will generally melt over a range of a few degrees, and is depressed by impurities (or polymorphs). Liquefaction, and in many cases subsequent recrystallisation upon cooling follows melting. In the case of RLA, the material actually polymerizes below its melting point and you see no changes upon heating all the way up to 250 deg C, where the material begins burning. The only way to get a usable melting point is to have a device pre-set to 49 deg C, place a sample on a microscope cover slip and to drop it on the pre-heated surface. Even then you get polymerization in many cases rather than a clean melt even though the material is pure by HPLC. This is why we don’t use the melting point has the sole criteria of purity. 

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1. Smi2le.biz's idebenone; test conducted for melting point (54-55); moisture/loss on drying (0.519); satisfies USP specification for heavy metals at <0.05 parts per million (so the sample satisfies USP specification at less than 10 parts per million of lead, mercury, bismuth, arsenic, antimony, tin, cadmium, silver, copper, and molybdenum);



2. Aniracetam from smi2le.biz; test conducted for purity (98.11% pure; but don't forget to add the moisture level as well as moisture/loss on drying to the sample's integrity level);



3. L-carnosine from Smi2le.biz; tested for melting point at 250 degrees celcius (which enables us to identify the substance by measuring the temperature at which a supplement dissolves) as well as heavy metals (satisfies USP specification at less than 10 parts per million of lead, mercury, bismuth, arsenic, antimony, tin, cadmium, silver, copper, and molybdenum);



To read more about the benefits of L-carnosine supplementation: click here

4. Oxiracetam from Smi2le.biz tested for tested for melting point tested at 168 degrees celcius (which enables us to identify the substance by measuring the temperature at which a supplement dissolves) as well as USP metal assay (satisfies USP specification at less than 10 parts per million of lead, mercury, bismuth, arsenic, antimony, tin, cadmium, silver, copper, and molybdenum);



To learn more about oxiracetam and its benefits, Click here.

5. Pyritinol from smi2le.biz tested for melting point to 138 degrees celcius (which enables us to identify the substance by measuring the temperature at which a supplement dissolves) as well as heavy metals: lead, mercury, bismuth, arsenic, antimony, tin, cadmium, silver, copper, and molybdenum):



To read more about the benefits, suggested dosages and the respective medical abstracts, simply click here.

To read earlier correspondences: click here and here

Good news! No more Server Error on "smi2le.biz". I called him this morning to place an order by phone and he told me that he's currently out of idebenone, and he should be getting it in a week of two. While I'm posting this I might as well mention that I made an error on my last post. Where I stated 45 grams per cap, it should have been 45mg per capsule.

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Hondo, if you care about your body and brain, shop at smi2le.biz. If you want to get something that "might be" or "could be" safe or what it is advertised as being, go to 1fast400 or beyond-a-century.com.

and stuff.

Okay, without succumbing to this bs too much, the insinuation here is potential slander/liable. While it is true that smi2le's independent analyses have come back as quite favorable, that is not a logical basis for slamming other companies.

Furthermore, your persistent posts about Chinese herbal medicines -- NOT MANUFACTURED PHARMACEUTICALS FROM CUSTOM SYNTH LABS -- is non-sequitur and really needs to stop.

It is painfully apparent that all of the PubMed articles in the world cannot offer positive evidence enough to argue for the efficacy of nootropics in comparison to the blindingly irrational thought processes that such a user of nootropics as yourself appears to suffer from.

Peace.

I am sorry hyoomen, but your logic is flawed. Just repeat what you just posted here out loud.

Do you not realize that BECAUSE nootropics/life extension supplements are NOT REGULATED they carry the highest concern for contaminants?

Say this out loud, and to your, say, mother or father, brother or wife (because this is essentially what you are saying):


hyoomen's logic:




"I buy supplements from a bulk retailer who orders products directly from China. I happen to ingest several kilograms of these products a year. They are never tested for heavy metals by a reputable third party and are shipped to the United States in garbage bins; and because these drugs are classified as supplements under the DSHEA act and are sold for research/educational purposes if I die or get sick, the company whom sold this product to me is not liable. Oh well, the guys who sell them to me TELL ME that they are tested, but have no evidence proving this is a fact and further do not provide ANY information about their supplier, which makes them quite questionable. Hey, I don't care, these drugs are supposed to make me smarter, so a little mercury, lead, and arsenic here and there won't hurt...they, I am told, are MANUFACTURED PHARMACEUTICALS FROM CUSTOM SYNTH LABS, therefore they MUST be safe..."




Well I have news for you hyoomen, I don't think you are very smart if this is what you think.

Don't let him fool you guys. Adam has ordered from me quite a few times. He actually ordered Piracetam, chocamine and ALCAR powder last time he ordered.


Adam is just someone that needs to feel important, hence him doing all this stuff. He won't take me up on my offer, which would prove I'm right and he is wrong. Instead he just goes around slandering me. If it helps keep this unstable man from feeling unimportant, hell if I care.

Don't let him fool you guys.  Adam has ordered from me quite a few times.  He actually ordered Piracetam, chocamine and ALCAR powder last time he ordered.


Adam is just someone that needs to feel important, hence him doing all this stuff.  He won't take me up on my offer, which would prove I'm right and he is wrong.  Instead he just goes around slandering me.  If it helps keep this unstable man from feeling unimportant, hell if I care.

You are right, 1fast400, my name is Adam, and I take my life very seriously. I consider my life to be VERY IMPORTANT. I am sorry if you do not feel that your life is important. Your lack of quality control procedures is a demonstration of your lack of concern and slander of my life.

Yes, I had ordered from 1fast400 about 9 months ago; operating under the assumption that 1fast400 was in fact a reputable supplier of nootropics. As a result, I wasted all of that money EXCEPT for the chocamine powder; because that comes from a respectable United States supplier (who is liable for their products). Can I return your ALCAR and piracetam to you, please, 1fast400? You won't reimburse me for the tests, so I would rather ingest smi2le's; because he has the following policy:

All products have COA (certificate of analysis) available on them and we have submitted most of our products to Integrated Bio Molecule for independent testing purposes. Any customer who wants to test one of our products via an independent lab service we will be glad to give you store credit for any costs associated with you having the tests done. The only difference between our aniracetam and the stuff that costs $44.95 for 15grams is the price; We are willing to bet that ours is of higher quality then the more expensive stuff and if you'd like to test both of them; we will give you store credit for the costs of the tests.

I will not ingest 1fast400 Piracetam OR 1fast400 ALCAR, as I do not believe they are safe. 1fast400 says his piracetam tested for under 20 parts per million; even if this is true, that is not up to USP spec; the USP spec it 10 parts per million; therefore I would not even ingest it; considering that I ingest several GRAMS of this product daily. I will only ingest products that have passed a THIRD PARTY USP METAL ASSAY. 1fast400 has shipped false ALCAR out to their customers, so I have reason to believe that their products are unsafe, so this was a waste of my money; as 1fast400 does not reimburse their clients for the costs of third party metal assays. After I investigated 1fast400 and found that they have no quality control procedures and blatanly lie to the general public regarding their quality control procedures, I instantly lost all respect for the owner of 1fast400. If the reader is confounded, I ask him or her to consider the record.

I offered early this spring to test 1fast400 products in exchange for store credit. He said no, just like he says no to everybody. He does not want to engage in trusting relations with his clients (that includes you, reader). 1fast400 does not allow his clients to send in his products for third party testing in exchange for store credit, while smi2le.biz does for ANY customer. You decide who you want to buy your smart drugs from, it is your life that may be jeapordized.

Interested reader, click here to consider the record and 1fast400's statements.

Adam Kamil, you haven't changed one bit.

**Photo Removed**

Edited by mystera, 05 January 2005 - 03:33 AM.

Adam Kamil, you haven't changed one bit.

Ha ha, "mystera;". Classic picture; I recall that photo was my from my grandmother's second wedding (I think I was 22 at the time, I'm not sure); smart ass face, that is... I am much better looking now (and maybe a little bit smarter, balder, muscular, and, not to mention, clean shaven)! I can't remember all who got a copy of that photo; I guess my brain is still trying to recover from that...

Take care.

Edited by nootropi, 04 January 2005 - 01:40 AM.

Nootropi, you keep saying you wont ingest 1FAST400's stuff because you don't believe it is safe. That's a load of hogshit, you haven't had it tested! You keep repeating the stuff about him not offering store credit and what proposals you made in the past....why don't you take him up on his CURRENT offer for fucks sake!!!!!

Nootropi, you keep saying you wont ingest 1FAST400's stuff because you don't believe it is safe. That's a load of hogshit, you haven't had it tested! You keep repeating the stuff about him not offering store credit and what proposals you made in the past....why don't you take him up on his CURRENT offer for fucks sake!!!!

Stellar: why don't YOU take him up on his offer?

I don't want anything to do with this 1fast400 character. I operate to protect myself, my life, and my own interests. If that happens to confer a safety benefit to the general public who read my posts, so be it. I won't sell out to anybody or anything; anybody who knows me knows that about me, if they know anything. I say what I think, and am not afraid to think differently than the rest.

If you trust 1fast400, then buy his products and ingest them. I only do not recommend that action. I only recommend to ingest products that I have tested for at least the melting point and USP metal assays. You are free to do as you wish. 1fast400 won't let me test his products in exchange for them; therefore I don't want to engage with him or his associates. You are free to do as you wish, so there is no reason to continue discussing this issue with me.

Take care.

Ha ha, "mystera;". Classic picture; I recall that photo was my from my grandmother's second wedding (I think I was 22 at the time, I'm not sure); smart ass face, that is... I am much better looking now (and maybe a little bit smarter, balder, muscular, and, not to mention, clean shaven)! I can't remember all who got a copy of that photo; I guess my brain is still trying to recover from that...

Take care.

I told you I'd gladly pay for the testing, you just have to shut your mouth when the test come back legit.

You should go back to standing in front of FAO

Jesus....he looks like Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket.

I told you I'd gladly pay for the testing, you just have to shut your mouth when the test come back legit.

You should go back to standing in front of FAO

Yes, I must admit I know how to pose for a camera (to make myself look quite crazy; you like?)!

It is nice to know how compelling anything I post is to you folks. It seems that anything I write on the web gets your immediate attention; there is like a five minute latency on replies between when I post anything and 1fast400's reply. Reader: go ahead and check the math; every post I have made for the past few months has been answered by 1fast400 within ten minutes! I do feel for your loved ones. D Sade, and 1fast400, how is your wife/girlfriend taking your obsession with another male? It makes me a bit uncomfortable to know men are watching me so closely. Just to let you know: I don't like men that way. It is also nice to know that some people I know from my earlier life are watching me so intensely. I must admit, I honestly do not find myself to be too interesting. Just don't make pin-up dolls with my photos or anything; if you plan to, I want advanced royalties from anything you sell.

Take care. I won't be on the web until tomorrow afternoon I think; maybe it's time for you two to spend some time with your loved ones and stop obessing over me....

What is it like working in front of a toy store?

Uhm, I'm QUITE certain that my logic would stand the rigors of any of my friends or family. I am not saying that products are necessarily safe, I am saying that it is irrational to accuse them of being so without a shred of evidence. This seems realistic to me: do not say shit that you don't KNOW to be true.

You can 'believe' all you want, but until you can give evidence that makes other people see your belief as credible, you'll continue to implicate yourself as somewhat childish and trollish.

I ordered 30 grams of KRALA from smi2le.biz on the 24th of last month. I called again yesterday and they finally answered for once. Mike said the package was mailed on the 28th by priority. It is now the 4th of Jan. Still has not arrived. So I called again today to see if perhaps the date of shipping was wrong but no answer today. Perhaps later they will answer the phone and I can get this issue resolved.

No answers to any of my emails. I have emailed 3 times since I placed the order asking for an indication of shippment. These guys need to work on their communication skills and spend another 40 cents on shipping confirmation. It is just too frustrating waiting and waiting with no indication of shipment.

If it ever does arrive I will let everyone know. I tend to think that he dose not ship until he geta a complaint. I could be too critical but bad communication leaves a lot of room for wondering and all of your doubts coming up as well.

For what it is worth, I have confirmed the story Rizzer gave about being raided by law enforcement agents. Agents were there and did remove some possessions. The official word from these agents is that people should steer clear of him and his products not because they are illegal specifically, but because they were coming from an unregulated building which was not meeting basic sanitation procedures for such a manufacturing laboratory. This does not mean that the products from overseas were necessary in question (they didn't have a need to investigate that far), but that the reseller (Rizzer) was not particularly professional in his methodology.

I am not stating this to in anyway slam Rizzer -- the information is just for information's sake. I do recognize that it is possible people will never have issues with his products, regardless of the perspective law enforcement agencies might have on his operations. Nevertheless, two different people I spoke with said time and money would be better spent with a more reputable and professional supplier.

Just some more information to weigh in on such decisions. Yes, he is vindicated in his assertion that he had some raid-style interactions with the DEA. Yes, his credibility is still in question based upon information provided regarding the safety of his operation. Take it for what you will.


PS: 1fast400, please check PM.

Edited by hyoomen, 04 January 2005 - 07:53 PM.

I have to hand it to 1fast400. They had one shipment to me that was not delivered. It never did arrive but when I called to complain someone answered the dang phone. They answered my questions and checked and found that the shipping indicated that it was sent but no further info was available. They reshipped the products and this time they spend the extra 40 cents and added shipping confirmation. I really like the fact that not only do they reship when they loose a package but they will spend the extra 40 cents and add package tracking. Not added to the cost but out of their end.

They did not raise the price. They did not raise the cost for shipping. They just reshipped the product and added shipping confirmation and paid the extra. I like that kind of service. When they do not have an answer they do not make up an excuse they just reship.

That is so much more professional.

I just wish they carried geronova products like KRALA, and Pyrodoxamine dihydrochloride. I need them both for my stack and can not find another source other than geronova and smi2le.biz.

Yosi also wants K-R-ala you might put in a request at the fast400 forums.

why don't several of us get together and just buy a kilo from gernova?

Actually all of our orders have delivery confirmation. We just have a theif at a sorting center. They are trying to track down who it is. We've lost about 25 packages this way over the past 2 months.

We have Krala on order

Hyoomen, send me an email. That way I have your email address and I can send you the gift voucher I said I would send for 200 bucks. I stated anyone finding out what really happen would get such a thing.


Mike

Yosi also wants K-R-ala you might put in a request at the fast400 forums.

DaveH?

Yosi

Hey 1fast400. Just a question for you. Why don't you get each batch of your stuff tested? I'm not here to start a flame war or anything, but it seems that people on this board always go around in circles (i.e., order from smile cuz it's tested, bla bla bla). So I'm just curious as to why you don't? If smile can afford it, then couldn't you? I'm not saying run a test anytime someone wants something, but I figure you order HUGE bulk amounts (like lets say 10,000g of pricetam) at a time; so what would be the problem with getting it tested? I can tell you that if you did in fact get your stuff tested, I'd buy from you since you have better communication skills and customer service than Rizzar. So yeah, I'm just curious. [?]

Hi everyone,

For what it's worth, I can attest that Rizzer (smi2le.biz) came through for me in the end. Yes, it took me about 2 months to get my order. However, to compensate for the delay, he added 100 Alpha GPC caps for free.

As I've read in other Rizzer threads, adding extra merchandise to an order is his informal customer service policy and business practice for incurred shipment delays.

Just wanted to say...Thanks Rizzer!

JMHO,
Melissa

My view is this; and I have stated it several times before: if you want to order from smi2le.biz, then you should make your best effort to contact him by telephone and ensure that HE HAS IN STOCK WHAT YOU WANT! He is more of the smart-drug source; 1fast400 is more of the "body building" source as 1fast400 sells several products that fit the safety category and are made by respectable US companies and fit the requirements for human consumption (ie. products that are "named" something).

1fast400/beyond-a-century is a good source for products that are preencapsulated or are made by respectable, liable US patent holders; ie chocamine®, Suntheanine ®, Activin ®, NOW ® foods products,etc. For Chinese imports, do not just respect a COA. Make sure that the product you plan on ingesting has been USP assayed by a third party for metals. Demand one, or don't bother with it; life is too precious to be gambling your stakes with Chinese suppliers. They are just NOT even 90% reliable.

Smi2le.biz still allows ANY customer to have his products assayed for store credit, which is, hands down, the best policy I know of. I will continue to test products from smi2le.biz. I will also test one or two products from 1fast400. I will only show results of products from either vendor which have passed the USP metal assay and melting point assay. I will not disclose if either party has a product that has contaminants; I will leave that up to the respective vendor to handle; I am sure they will both do the right thing. I won't say anything; what I mean is I will show results from products I assay that have passed the aforementioned tests and are thus approprate for human consumption. I would only "recommend" ingesting these products. Otherwise, take your own chances. It is your life after all that COULD be in danger. You can test products from either if you would like; but do keep in mind I REPEAT smi2le.biz allows ANY customer to have his products assayed for store credit. Be smart: take advantage of his offer and use my connection by clicking here.

I can say honestly that so far smi2le.biz has reimbursed me for 5 assays; and each and every assay I have performed came out with excellent results.

Kind of confused here... Smi2le.biz "offers the lowest prices on the net" and carries strictly quality products... but has problems with web site, has two month (and even longer) delays, often doesn't answer the telephone, rarely responds to e-mails???

Great prices and excellent products are great... and I hope to be able to do business with this company.....

But I also have concerns over shipping delays, shipments simply not sent, etc. I have problems with elevated cortisol levels (an extremely serious health concern)... my particular situation is pseudo Cushings that appears to have a causation of severe anxiety compounded with depression. As most prescription cortisol fighters have some serious side effects, I have set on a venture to find - and use - the most potent non prescription anti-cortisol compounds that I can locate.

Those products include: Phosphatidyl serine, Pregnenolone, Melatonin, Magnolia, Gingko Biloba, DHEA, Gerovital-H3, Epimedium, Holy Basil, etc., etc.

Additionally, non prescription sources of anti-anxiety / anti-depression substances are also being researched and sought. Right now prescription medications aer utilized but the long term goal is to switch to non presciption substances.

Anyway, effective therapeutic doses tend to be higher quantities and obviously sources offering bulk powders are more cost effective. So finding a source that offers many of the sought after products (especially the more rare ones), with products that are comparatively inexpensive and in bulk form... well, that's great.

But equally necessary is knowing that the needed products will be available in a reasonable time frame. With some people this process isn't some theoretical experiment but is a therapeutical necessity....

So (IMHO) positive, effective, and customer-oriented business practices are simply factors that have to be equally important to cost factors and so forth....

My suggestion would be to remove the e-mail address from the web site (why post it if one doesn't respond to it), and make the business a telephone order / credit card only operation. Personally I prefer to use paypal and don't care for telephone ordering with credit card purchase (lack of documentation bieng a major concern), but to each his own....

Like I said, I'm sure that I'll use (or try to!) Smi2le.biz as this company simply offers certain items not reasonably available elsewhere (such as Phosphadityl Serine 50% in bulk powder form, for example). I just hope that "customer service" improves to a level much higher than many of the examples I've read about on this board.....

In any case, thanks for your various information!

Hondo

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Kind of confused here...  Smi2le.biz "offers the lowest prices on the net" and carries strictly quality products... but has problems with web site, has two month (and even longer) delays, often doesn't answer the telephone, rarely responds to e-mails???

Great prices and excellent products are great... and I hope to be able to do business with this company.....

But I also have concerns over shipping delays, shipments simply not sent, etc. I have problems with elevated cortisol levels (an extremely serious health concern)...  my particular situation is pseudo Cushings that appears to have a causation of severe anxiety compounded with depression. As most prescription cortisol fighters have some serious side effects,  I have set on a venture to find - and use - the most potent non prescription anti-cortisol compounds that I can locate.

Those products include: Phosphatidyl serine, Pregnenolone, Melatonin, Magnolia, Gingko Biloba, DHEA, Gerovital-H3, Epimedium, Holy Basil, etc., etc.

Additionally, non prescription sources of anti-anxiety / anti-depression substances are also being researched and sought. Right now prescription medications aer utilized but the long term goal is to switch to non presciption substances.

Anyway, effective therapeutic doses tend to be higher quantities and obviously sources offering bulk powders are more cost effective. So finding a source that offers many of the sought after products (especially the more rare ones), with products that are comparatively inexpensive and in bulk form... well, that's great.

But equally necessary is knowing that the needed products will be available in a reasonable time frame. With some people this process isn't some theoretical experiment but is a therapeutical necessity.... 

So (IMHO) positive, effective, and customer-oriented business practices are simply factors that have to be equally important to cost factors and so forth.... 

My suggestion would be to remove the e-mail address from the web site (why post it if one doesn't respond to it), and make the business a telephone order / credit card only operation. Personally I prefer to use paypal and don't care for telephone ordering with credit card purchase (lack of documentation bieng a major concern), but to each his own....

Like I said, I'm sure that I'll use (or try to!) Smi2le.biz as this company simply offers certain items not reasonably available elsewhere (such as Phosphadityl Serine 50% in bulk powder form, for example). I just hope that "customer service" improves to a level much higher than many of the examples I've read about on this board.....

In any case, thanks for your various information!

Hondo

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And we go in a circle again!

My view is this; and I have stated it several times before: if you want to order from smi2le.biz, then you should make your best effort to contact him by telephone and ensure that HE HAS IN STOCK WHAT YOU WANT! He is more of the smart-drug source; 1fast400 is more of the "body building" source as 1fast400 sells several products that fit the safety category and are made by respectable US companies and fit the requirements for human consumption (ie. products that are "named" something).

1fast400/beyond-a-century is a good source for products that are preencapsulated or are made by respectable, liable US patent holders; ie chocamine®, Suntheanine ®, Activin ®, NOW ® foods products,etc. For Chinese imports, do not just respect a COA. Make sure that the product you plan on ingesting has been USP assayed by a third party for metals. Demand one, or don't bother with it; life is too precious to be gambling your stakes with Chinese suppliers. They are just NOT even 90% reliable.

Smi2le.biz still allows ANY customer to have his products assayed for store credit, which is, hands down, the best policy I know of. I will continue to test products from smi2le.biz. I will also test one or two products from 1fast400. I will only show results of products from either vendor which have passed the USP metal assay and melting point assay. I will not disclose if either party has a product that has contaminants; I will leave that up to the respective vendor to handle; I am sure they will both do the right thing. I won't say anything; what I mean is I will show results from products I assay that have passed the aforementioned tests and are thus approprate for human consumption. I would only "recommend" ingesting these products. Otherwise, take your own chances. It is your life after all that COULD be in danger. You can test products from either if you would like; but do keep in mind I REPEAT smi2le.biz allows ANY customer to have his products assayed for store credit. Be smart: take advantage of his offer and use my connection by clicking here.

I can say honestly that so far smi2le.biz has reimbursed me for 5 assays; and each and every assay I have performed came out with excellent results.

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Hondo,

I'm extremely short of time and have not read your whole post.

If you're looking for a really good anti-cortisol agent check out lean xtreme by designer supps:

http://www.designers...bbbec7c8089cac2

Expensive but effective enough that some people have to lower the dosage due to joint pains i.e. it really works. Best prices will be at 1fast (or other places such as he).