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"How to Survive a Robot Uprising"


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#1 Ghostrider

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Posted 21 February 2007 - 07:27 AM


Google's reaction - backtracking (humorous):

"How to Survive a Robot Uprising" - Daniel H. Wilson speaks at Google

http://video.google....Bar Fight&hl=en

I stumbled upon this by accident. Humorous.

#2 advancedatheist

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Posted 21 February 2007 - 02:48 PM

Wilson has a new book coming out, titled Where's My Jetpack? He apparently takes issue with how people a few decades back viewed "the future," namely, the early 21st Century. You can download a scan of an interview with him from this page:

http://www.box.net/public/fl49afpjsh

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:07 AM

Really long, but interesting.

A virus spreading throughout the robots on Earth in a day (or hour)
would be serious. Just as when a computer connected to the internet,
speads its virus to other computers, so could androids. Whether these
androids are super smart of super stupid makes no difference.


A saw something interesting on TV a few days ago. It was about these
roboticists that were working on the face (and to a lesser extent body)
of a Japanese female android/robot. They said that people would often get upset
if someone didn't treat this thing right. CRAZY stuff. This is bad. To look
on a machine and see a woman instead. This is the opposite take as to
what Mr. Wilson was refering to of course. This, I think is the great evil
of the near term, to become attached to these things, as if they were alive.
(The movie AI is
probably the ultimate example. I posted about that a few months ago. In
the movie a couple adopts an android boy.)

I was wondering where to put this. For your amusement:

All is Full of Love by Bjork

http://www.dailymoti...is-full-of-love

-Stephen

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#4 air90

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Posted 22 February 2007 - 07:21 AM

Wow, thats one creepy video.

#5 Ghostrider

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 03:59 AM

QUOTE (stephenszpak)
Really long, but interesting.

  A virus spreading throughout the robots on Earth in a day (or hour)
  would be serious. Just  as when a computer connected to the internet,
  speads its virus to other computers, so could androids. Whether these
  androids are super smart of super stupid makes no difference.

-Stephen


No, the type of intelligence does make a difference. Computers follow instructions, they don't think. The computer which become susceptible to viruses were designed by humans that failed to consider an exploit developed by another human or humans. An intelligent machine has the ability to recognize and correct its own vulnerabilities in the first place. More importantly, if a machine can think for itself, it does not have to blindly execute instructions -- but that depends on how general the AI is.

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Posted 23 February 2007 - 04:52 AM

That dude is quite funny. It's worth watching if you have a spare 45 minutes.

#7 stephenszpak

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Ghostrider)
QUOTE (stephenszpak)
Really long, but interesting.

  A virus spreading throughout the robots on Earth in a day (or hour)
  would be serious. Just  as when a computer connected to the internet,
  speads its virus to other computers, so could androids. Whether these
  androids are super smart of super stupid makes no difference.

-Stephen


No, the type of intelligence does make a difference. Computers follow instructions, they don't think. The computer which become susceptible to viruses were designed by humans that failed to consider an exploit developed by another human or humans. An intelligent machine has the ability to recognize and correct its own vulnerabilities in the first place. More importantly, if a machine can think for itself, it does not have to blindly execute instructions -- but that depends on how general the AI is.


Ghostrider

A stupid robot/android (I don't know the correct term) is one I would consider to not have AI at all. It would
work in a factory with dozens of others. If it got a virus, and it spread, all these things would run a muck. The virus
would instruct each one to beat about the head and shoulders anything that has a head and shoulders. So some
robots would be destroyed and some human supervisors would be killed.

A Data like android could still get a virus. ( Of course it's just science fiction, but this, or something like it happened to Data
on one episode. ) These is no such thing as a 'machine {that} can think for itself' so we can't try it. That is, give it a virus.
One idea might be to give it a false memory, so to speak. If it 'remembers' a certain event which never really happened,
this will alter its 'thinking' in the future.



(By the way, I don't believe an android can ever be alive. It could only fake it.)

-Stephen

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Posted 24 February 2007 - 07:59 PM

As for being alive, are prions alive? They are just protiens and don't have RNA or DNA and yet they replicate, find new hosts and survive. Diseases like mad cow are spread by prions. Viruses are thought to be alive but aren't much more complex than prions.

A robot or android could have built in safeguards against rogue programming, which is what people are talking about here.

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Posted 26 February 2007 - 06:42 AM

QUOTE (xanadu)
As for being alive, are prions alive? They are just protiens and don't have RNA or DNA and yet they replicate, find new hosts and survive. Diseases like mad cow are spread by prions. Viruses are thought to be alive but aren't much more complex than prions.

A robot or android could have built in safeguards against rogue programming, which is what people are talking about here.


There is always a way around a safeguard (my opinion).

-Stephen




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