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Consider Adrafinil as an alternative to Modafinil, it's much cheaper and works almost as well from what I've heard. Nuerofeedback seems to be used for relaxation purposes mostly but I suppose inducing higher frequency brain waves could lead to increased concetration, focus, and increased higher level cognitive functions.

cosmos said:

I can testify to that. Adrafinil works very well. I have been taking it for almost two years. I have checked my liver enzyme levels every three months, and every time I have a CMP (comprehensive metabolic panel) preformed my SGOT, SGPT, and alkaline phosphatase is in the normal range, and the levels really do not fluxtuate.

I highly advise checking the liver. If you have medical insurance the cost is marginal to free.

I take 2 300 mg adrafinils every morning, right when I wake up. It is important to take them on an empty stomach and not to eat for at least 20 minutes.

http://store.yahoo.c...gensym-196.html

The price is cheap enough as far as I'm concerned, I'm quite interested in obtaining some later on. I assume getting an 80x300mg supply will be sufficient for at least a month of constant use.

cosmos said:

That place is a rip off!

A much better deal is available from qhi. I have been ordering from them for almost two years. They have excellent customer support as well as prices and they deliver within three weeks (usually within two or less). I must have recieved 30 or 40 orders from them.

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Pyritinol has been one of the most effective drugs I've seen for ADD, Piracetam has been effective for some especially if they have other LD's, bacopa is suppose to be helpful and is worth a try. For some deprenyl works well too.



Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 2003 Aug;27(5):841-5.
Selegiline in the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder in children: a double blind and randomized trial.

Akhondzadeh S, Tavakolian R, Davari-Ashtiani R, Arabgol F, Amini H. Roozbeh Psychiatric Hospital, Tehran University of Medical Sciences, South Kargar Avenue, Tehran 13334, Iran. s.akhond@neda.net

Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a common disorder of childhood that affects 3% to 6% of school-age children. Conventional stimulant medications are recognized by both specialists and parents as useful symptomatic treatment. Nevertheless, approximately 30% of ADHD children treated with them do not respond adequately or cannot tolerate the associated adverse effects. Such difficulties highlight the need for alternative safe and effective medications in the treatment of this disorder. Selegiline is a type B monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) that is metabolized to amphetamine and methamphetamine stimulant compounds that may be useful in the treatment of ADHD. The authors undertook this study to further evaluate, under double-blind and controlled conditions, the efficacy of selegiline for ADHD in children. A total of 28 children with ADHD as defined by DSM IV were randomized to selegiline or methylphenidate dosed on an age and weight-adjusted basis at selegiline 5 mg/day (under 5 years) and 10 mg/day (over 5 years) (Group 1) and methylphenidate 1 mg/kg/day (Group 2) for a 4-week double-blind clinical trial. The principal measure of the outcome was the Teacher and Parent ADHD Rating Scale. Patients were assessed by a child psychiatrist at baseline, 14 and 28 days after the medication started. No significant differences were observed between the two protocols on the Parent and Teacher Rating Scale scores. Although the number of dropouts in the methylphenidate group was higher than in the selegiline group, there was no significant difference between the two protocols in terms of the dropouts. Decreased appetite, difficulty falling asleep and headaches were observed more in the methylphenidate group. The results of this study must be considered preliminary, but they do suggest that selegiline may be beneficial in the treatment of ADHD. In addition, a tolerable side effect profile may be considered as one of the advantages of selegiline in the treatment of ADHD.

Source: Medline

adamp2p said:

€ 20.65 vs. $29.00

I don't see much of a difference, also QHI ships from overseas while nubrain is in the US. I just find nubrain less of a hassle because they take Paypal and it's more convenient because I don't have to send a Indemnity & Disclaimer form like with QHI.

20.65 EUR Euro =

24.5653 USD United States Dollars

€ 20.65 vs. $29.00

That is about $5 dollars less per 40 caps. If you do get shipping for $8.00 then that might confer you an advantage if you are only ordering one pack, however, if you are order 2 packs, than you are paying $10 USD more, and three $15. So as you purchase more, it costs you more, and that advantage is gone. And I highly advise ordering multiple packages so you don't pay that much for shipping...

I advise you purchase at least 4 packs because you really do not feel the full effects of adrafinil until you have been taking it for about 3 weeks.

Also QHI sells FAS hydergine in packs of 60 4,5 mg at a very reasonable price (€ 25.18 = $29.9541 USD) Take a look at their other items. So what? You send them a disclaimer (or fax it) and you never do it again. It really depends on how many products you plan on purchasing from them. I ONLY want FAS hydergine it causes nasuea and other side effect otherwise, and if not FAS (facilitated absorption system) you lose a lot of the drug as well.

It's your money, not mine.

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AND you are wrong about Nubrain shipping adrafinil from the US!

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Adrafinil* see the Asterisk?

Yeah I've been looking at Hydergine... hmmm. I might send them a form just since they do seem to be cheaper on both items. Does hydergine really syngerize with Piracetam well? I guess I'll give QHI a shot in the summer.

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For many including myself, yes very well.

cosmos said:

Yes, it does. I really like QHI; they have great customer service and always deliver on time. If you can wait for like a month to recieve your order, it is cheaper to pay them by personal check because they charge you more for using your credit card. They are expensive on some items (such as the ones rizzer has), but for the adrafinil and FAS Hydergine, I can't find a better deal or service.

I've found excellent results with 800mg of L-theanine every 3 hours is highly effective.

My piracetam is being shipped right now, so I'll see how it compares.

800mg of theanine ? wow, I took 400mg one time and I felt totally wasted, I felt like I drank a six pack and smoked something. Although this feeling lasted only about 30 minutes it was intense enough where I could not drive etc.

Did you buy your piracetam domestically, I used to order it from qhi but it is nice to be able to buy it from the US now.

This post has been edited by ortcloud: 28 October 2007 - 05:31 PM

I was diagnosed with ADHD and took was prescribed Focalin for it. While this did solve my ADHD while I was on it, it seemed to also zap me of my creative thought and although left me content, it also left me unmotivated. I quit taking it. Shortly after, I began taking Supercarbohydrates or glyconutrients, link here http://www.micronutr.../nutratose.html . and they either through placebo effect or actual effect, appear to have fixed my ADHD problem without the negative side effects.

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link http://www.rxalternativemedicine.com/artic...it_disorder.htm

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craigb,
You used Nutratose to 'cure' your ADHD?
How many pills a day may I ask?
Did you feel like there was an increase in dopamine with the glyconutrients like there is with most supplements that are somewhat effective for ADHD or is there some other effect?
How long have you been using it to get a good effect?

Sorry for all the questions but finding unbiased info on glyconutrients is like looking for a needle in a haystack [mellow]

didn't say 'cure' because that would imply it was over with, I use it to treat it. 3 pills/ day. No idea on the increase in dopamine. Been using it almost a year to good effect.