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Resveratrol Revisted, Longevinex looks impressive |
Feb 7 2006, 09:29 PM
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Group: Navigator Threadstarter Joined: 1-August 05 Posts: 2,869 From: West Hartford, CT USA |
If you guys haven't thought about Resveratrol for awhile, check out the Longevinex website:
http://www.longevinex.com/ They must have revamped the site recently, because it has a ton of information I don't recall in the past. The arguments they put forth for their brand vs. other resveratrol supplements are very compelling in my opinion. What do you guys think? It seems a little pricey, but considering it contains 40mg of trans-resveratrol, its probably not a bad value. Especially if it really activates Sir1 as well as they claim... calorie restriction in a pill is sexy |
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Feb 7 2006, 09:38 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 12-March 05 Posts: 275 |
Is this the best form of resveratrol?
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Feb 7 2006, 09:47 PM
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Group: Navigator Threadstarter Joined: 1-August 05 Posts: 2,869 From: West Hartford, CT USA |
Trans-resveratrol is the desirable form of resveratrol. Cis-resveratrol doesn't activate the Sir1 gene apparently.
AOR makes a resveratrol product that retails for $20 and contains 60 capsules with 5mg of trans-resveratrol each. Even disregarding Longevinex's argument that all other brands degrade into cis-resveratrol, if you tried to get 40mg of resveratrol a day with the AOR product, it would cost you $80 a month. That does make Longevinex look like a good deal at $40 for a month supply. |
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Feb 7 2006, 10:35 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 16-June 05 Posts: 5,115 From: Auburn, AL |
There were a few comments regarding Longevinex in LifeMirage's Regimen thread. It was on one of the last couple of pages, I believe.
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Feb 8 2006, 05:26 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 21-June 05 Posts: 1,610 From: Dallas, Texas |
I've been taking this for over a year -- in fact, one pill in the morning, one at night. A few of the other pills I take also have some resveratrol, but minimum amounts and I doubt the viability is high, since these other pills are not encapsulated in an O2-free environment.
Saw this today... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/...60206232855.htm |
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Feb 8 2006, 07:54 AM
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Group: Lifetime Member Joined: 14-August 02 Posts: 1,085 |
QUOTE It seems a little pricey, but considering it contains 40mg of trans-resveratrol, its probably not a bad value. Please show me where they claim 40 mg of trans-resveratrol on their site. |
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Feb 8 2006, 01:52 PM
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Group: Navigator Threadstarter Joined: 1-August 05 Posts: 2,869 From: West Hartford, CT USA |
I agree that its shady how they don't put the trans-resveratrol content on the label. Looking back through the site, references to the actual trans-resveratrol content of Longevinex are conspicuously few. However, if you click on "The Longevinex Difference" in the left column on the front page, you'll find this caption underneath a picture of Longevinex:
"Also, Longevinex LicapsŪ (CapsugelŪ) airtight opaque capsule, 40 mg trans resveratrol, encapsulated under nitrogen without light exposure; sealed in foil pack." |
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Feb 8 2006, 04:04 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 17-October 05 Posts: 184 |
For what it's worth -- here was LEF's unofficial response about a year ago...it's from their forum.
QUOTE "The supplier of Life Extension's resveratrol provided the following reply:
A competitor claims that all resveratrol products on the market but the one it sells are "unstable" and without "biological activity". This company claims that resveratrol has to be produced in an oxygen-free environment in order to be stable; otherwise it will break down and become worthless. The definition of "biological activity" according to this company is the ability to extend the life of yeast cells as exemplified by a commercial kit known as the "Fluor de Lys". In this assay kit, something is considered "bioactive" if it causes lysine 382 of a p53 gene to fluoresce. The validity of this test was recently brought into question when it was learned that the results don't hold up in vivo (Kaeberlein, et al. JBC Papers in Press, 1/31/05). The usual definition of "biologically active" is something has an effect on a biological system, such as a cell, an organ or the like. In that regard, Life Extension's I3C/resveratrol product was recently shown to have biological activity in human colorectal cancer cells where it activated a gene that causes cancer cells to die (Lee, et al. Biochem Biophys Res Comm 328:63). LE's resveratrol/I3C combination worked better than either I3C or DIM alone to activate this gene in human colorectal cancer cells. We will be reporting on this study soon. Life Extension would never steer you wrong. Our resveratrol is the of the highest quality available. It is made from organic French grapes and a plant known as Polygonum cuspidatum. It is maintained in a natural matrix of complimentary polyphenols and related compounds that help it remain stable and absorbable in the body. Quercetin, which naturally occurs alongside resveratrol, is added in a synergistic amount for stability and enhanced bioavailability. As to the question of how long LE resveratrol "stays in the blood", we hope not long since we want to see it in tissues doing something. In general, resveratrol doesn't stay in circulation very long; it's absorbed through mucous membranes and can be detected in the plasma of animals in as little as five minutes. We will be able to report to you soon about which genes LE resveratrol affects. In the meantime, know that LE resveratrol has undergone and passed an accelerated stability study where it maintained potency for up to two years. It has been tested for potency and meets or exceeds the stated potency. Resveratrol in its natural matrix is reported to be very stable. According to the USDA, peanuts stored for up to 3 years still contained resveratrol (Sanders, et al. J Agric Food Chem 48:1243), and freeze-dried grape powder also contained resveratrol (Meng, et al. J Agric Food Chem 52:935). Last but not least, although light can have a negative effect on resveratrol, you don't have to worry that the resveratrol in your peanut butter will disappear if it's exposed to air: it won't (Ibern-Gomez, et al. J Agric Food Chem 48:6352). Despite the claims of a competitor, LE resveratrol is stable, of the highest quality, and biologically active--something you will soon be hearing more about in the near future." - Posted by the Moderator |
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Feb 8 2006, 06:09 PM
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Group: Navigator Threadstarter Joined: 1-August 05 Posts: 2,869 From: West Hartford, CT USA |
Thanks for pulling that out Kevin, thats the kind of counterpoint I was looking for. I'm leaning toward taking LEF's grape seed extract w/ resveratrol right now, but I'm going to wait until the end of the discussion here to decide for sure.
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Feb 8 2006, 06:36 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 21-June 05 Posts: 1,610 From: Dallas, Texas |
Well, here's my stance... Resveratrol is so important, I take Longevinex (2 per day), and LEF's Grape Seed/Resveratrol, and LEF's I-C-3/Resveratrol, and New Chapter's Zyflamend (6mg resveratrol).
I still think Longevinex is the best of them all, as resveratrol is all they do, and you'd think that if all you make is one single supplement, that you'd do it right, and wouldn't lose focus by having to worry about 100 other supplements in your catalogue. |
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Feb 8 2006, 07:07 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 17-October 05 Posts: 184 |
I agree that Longevinex looks "the best". They seem to have a pretty solid case. Also, the LEF product is only slightly cheaper (it's equal at non-member prices).
What I don't get is exactly how much better or worse they are compared to other high quality Resveratrol products. I'd like to see some real head to head tests between vendors' products - Consumerlabs.com does some testing and that's great, but what I don't like is that their testing seems extremely limited and high level "one size fits all" (does it contain heavy metals and are the ingredients present as described). |
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Feb 8 2006, 07:50 PM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 14-June 05 Posts: 78 |
Just reading through the Longevinex material. Which one of their ingredients causes the P450 enzyme inhibition? Probably the quercetin right? Is this the same enzyme that bioperine inhibits? Was any consensus ever reached as to whether this inhibition is safe or acceptable? Thanks.
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Feb 8 2006, 09:17 PM
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Group: Validating Joined: 21-July 05 Posts: 1,917 |
I eat lots of grapes. I probably get as much reservatol as any of you plus lots of fiber and other goodies.
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Feb 8 2006, 11:24 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 16-June 05 Posts: 5,115 From: Auburn, AL |
QUOTE (xanadu) I eat lots of grapes. I probably get as much reservatol as any of you plus lots of fiber and other goodies. Plus plenty of extra carbs/sugar. Besides, you'd have to eat a ton of grapes to get 50+ mg of resveratrol daily. |
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Feb 8 2006, 11:35 PM
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Group: Validating Joined: 21-July 05 Posts: 1,917 |
A ton, really? I think you might be pulling our legs. Anyway, better to get it naturally than in a pill. Do you eat bread or pasta, shepard?
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Feb 8 2006, 11:42 PM
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Group: Director Joined: 16-June 05 Posts: 5,115 From: Auburn, AL |
Yes, 2000 lbs. On the dot.
I'm all for getting certain compounds from actual food/beverages....but I'm of the opinion that be getting quite a bit of resveratrol (atleast 30-40mg daily) from food would negate the benefits of the compoud itself. I eat everything, dude. I just make sure that I keep myself in check and only "cheat" once in a while. I don't allow my wish for extreme longevity to interfere with my enjoyment of life. |
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Feb 9 2006, 04:27 AM
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Group: Director Joined: 21-June 05 Posts: 1,610 From: Dallas, Texas |
Grapes is a very unhealthy source of resveratrol--far too much sugar for too little resveratrol per grape. Wine (a.k.a. grape extract) is better, but more and more research is showing that alcohol needs to be avoided, if health is a concern.
In some cases, like this one, the whole foods attainment of the food's key benefit is likely not the best. Likewise, eating tomatoes is a poor way to get lycopene. Eating fish can be a dangerous way to get enough EPA/DHA. And I'm sure I can think of more given time. |
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Feb 9 2006, 04:57 AM
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Group: Registered User Joined: 1-August 05 Posts: 3,200 From: Sacramento, California |
why is resveratrol so important? someone give me a quick rundown please?
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Feb 9 2006, 02:05 PM
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Group: Navigator Threadstarter Joined: 1-August 05 Posts: 2,869 From: West Hartford, CT USA |
I found something really interesting that is worthy of mention-
Good news: non-alcoholic red wine contains just as much resveratrol as regular wine So does that make non-alcoholic red wine a great idea for dietary resveratrol intake? Bad news: the red wines used in the study below contained 4mg of resveratrol per liter. That means you'd have to drink insane amounts of non-alcoholic wine to match the resveratrol content of some of these supplements (although, perhaps not much of the supplementary resveratrol is trans-resveratrol). On the other hand, its encouraging that all the health benefits exhibited by the french with red wine consumption are produced by such meager amounts of resveratrol. QUOTE For the study, which was published in the April 20 issue of Heart Disease Weekly, 40 healthy male rabbits were divided into five equal groups. One group was given water and allowed to continue with their standard diet. The other four groups ate meals that contained nearly 2 percent cholesterol -- considerably high for herbivores, according to the researchers.
One of the high-cholesterol groups was given only water to drink every day. Another group drank water mixed with 3 milligrams of resveratrol for every kilogram the rabbit weighed. The remaining two groups received 4 milliliters of red wine per kilogram of weight per day; one group drank nonalcoholic wine, the other had wine with 12 percent alcohol. (The wines contained close to 4 milligrams of resveratrol per liter.) Every day, the scientists measured the ability of arteries in the rabbits' ears and legs to dilate, as well as the rabbits' capacity to maintain proper levels of nitric oxide in the bloodstream. Both factors help "relax the vessels and make the blood flow easier," said study spokesman Joseph Wu, a professor of biochemistry and molecular biology at New York Medical College in Valhalla, who has collaborated with the Nanjing Medical University researchers. Having too much nitric oxide in the blood may also cause oxidative damage to the body, according to Wu. The researchers also measured the rabbits' blood pressure and the endothelium cell levels in their blood vessels. After 12 weeks, the scientists found that the rabbits on a high-cholesterol diet that drank only water showed an approximate 25 percent decrease compared to the control rabbits in their ability to regulate both arterial dilation and nitric oxide levels. On the other hand, rabbits that drank red wine, nonalcoholic wine or the resveratrol-water mix showed similar cardiovascular health as the rabbits on a regular diet. "The significant [cardiovascular] dysfunctions observed in high-cholesterol diet groups were effectively mitigated by oral administration of resveratrol, red wine and de-alcoholized red wine," the authors wrote. This post has been edited by funkodyssey: Feb 9 2006, 02:35 PM |
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Feb 9 2006, 02:26 PM
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Group: Navigator Threadstarter Joined: 1-August 05 Posts: 2,869 From: West Hartford, CT USA |
LEF has a good summary of the benefits of resveratrol here:
Resveratrol Its a pretty huge supplement. It prevents heart disease several different ways, prevents cancer through 12 different mechanisms of action, activates Sir1 which is a longevity gene activated by Calorie Restriction (potentially conferring many of the same benefits of CR), and extends the lifespan of every species they've tested it on thus far (yeast, flies, worms, and small fish) by ALOT (like 70%). |
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