<Jose> Hi to everybody from sunny and beautiful Venezuela :-)
<BJKlein> will start with ImmInst facts first.. then go into life extension
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<BJKlein> hi there, jose..
<ddhewitt> Hey Jose.
<BJKlein> Jose, before i start with ImmInst facts..
<BJKlein> could you share with us some facts about WTA?
<BJKlein> date of conference, membership, etc?
<Jose> Hi guys, let's see what is the future brings :-)
<Jose> Bruce, sure :-)
<Jose> The WTA has 138 paying members out of a total of almost 3000 by now.
<outlawpoet> oo
<Jose> About TransVision 2005, the conference dates are 22-24 July, 2005. After the conference, we are organizing scuba diving activities
<Jose> ... and also some tourism for those who want to know Venezuela and South America
<BJKlein> nice to see A. Clark to be at the conference
<Jose> see: www.TransHumanismO.org/tv05
<BJKlein> ImmInst has 113 paid members
<BJKlein> 1905 basic
<Jose> The WTA will renew 5 of its 10 Board members in January, and I hope that some of you will run:-)
<BJKlein> 501-c3 Sept 2002
<Jose> Yes, Bruce, congratulations for all your incredible work!
<BJKlein> ImmInst Board Elections Jan (3 Seats Open)
<Jose> Well, I might run then...
<BJKlein> Yes, Jose, all ImmInst Full Members are free to run..
<BJKlein> Human Death Rate (US Census Bureau):
<BJKlein> 1.8 per sec
<BJKlein> 106 min
<BJKlein> 6,360 hr
<BJKlein> 152,640 day
<BJKlein> 55,713,600 yr
<BJKlein>
http://sysopmind.com...ndimaterie.html<BJKlein> more than 50 Million are dying each year, we have work to do.
<BJKlein> ImmInst Book Project is nearly in the black:
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.org/book1<BJKlein> sold 129 books in Nov alone for $700 to ImmInst
<outlawpoet> cool
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<BJKlein> Here is estimate of ImmInst Balance (as we are required to open books to public)
<ddhewitt> Awesome.
<BJKlein> Estimate of ImmInst Yearly Income:
<BJKlein> Membership Dues: ~3,500/yr (113 Members)
<BJKlein> Forum Sponsorship: ~2,400/yr (AOR, Canaca)
<BJKlein> Donations: ~3,000/yr
<BJKlein> Expenses: ~1,500/yr
<BJKlein> Dec 2004 Balance: ~ 10,000
<BJKlein> Not including ImmInst Film Project
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.org/film<BJKlein> 20,500
<BJKlein> Filmed thus far: 55 with 20+ more to go
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<BJKlein> Have uploaded 3 short film clips to ImmInst Video Archive:
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.o...s=&act=SF&f=111<BJKlein> Looking to ImmInst Conference Nov 2005 Atlanta
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.org/conference<BJKlein> have thus far 10 speakers
<BJKlein> Speakers
<BJKlein> · Anti-aging - de Grey
<BJKlein> · Artificial Heart - Houghton
<BJKlein> · Artificial Intelligence - Yudkowsky
<BJKlein> · Brain-computer Interfacing - Passaro
<BJKlein> · Cryonics - Merkle
<BJKlein> · Cryopreserving the Brain - Best
<BJKlein> · Diachronous Self - More
<BJKlein> · Neurological Remediation - Hughes
<BJKlein> · Primo & Metabrains - Vita-More
<BJKlein> · Technology Studies - Arrison
<BJKlein> Looking to the 2 major Cryonics Orgs:
<BJKlein> Alcor and CI
<BJKlein> Alcor - Life Extension Foundation
<BJKlein> Located: Scotsdale AZ
<BJKlein> Started: 1972
<BJKlein> Members: 667
<BJKlein> Suspended: 64 (Dec 2002: 52)
<BJKlein> Cost: 80k neuro, 150k full body
<BJKlein> Cryonics Institute
<BJKlein> Located: Clinton Township, MI
<BJKlein> Started: 1976
<BJKlein> Members: 464
<BJKlein> Suspended: 67 (Dec 2002: 46)
<BJKlein> Cost: 28k full body (only)
<BJKlein> nod to book that started it all:
<BJKlein> "The Prospect of Immortality" by Robert Ettinger
<BJKlein> Private Publication: 1962
<BJKlein> nod to most important anti-aging prize:
<BJKlein> MPRIZE
<BJKlein> $105,593 - Cash
<BJKlein> $794,866 - Cash & Pledges
<BJKlein>
http://www.mprize.org/<BJKlein> have you pledged for your life today?
<Jose> I believe it is much lower in ALCOR than waht you said: Cost: 80k neuro, 150k full body (28k? and 130K? reséctively??)
<BJKlein> Alcor has upped prices (Jan 1, 2005)
<BJKlein> by 30k both neuro/body
<Jose> I see :-(
<BJKlein> you stil have time to get lower rate
<Jose> Will CI do the same then?
<BJKlein> not that i know
<BJKlein> still 28k for only full
<ddhewitt> Why did the increase the rates?
<BJKlein> not sure
<Jose> By the way, I have not told you that we met Edgar Swank, president of American Cryonics Society, who showed us his CI wristband
<BJKlein> ah yes, Edgar Swank is living in Ven?
<Jose> See the pictures in
http://www.transhuma.../reunion014.htm and scroll down
<Jose> Edgar Swank has bought a Summer house in the beach here, but he will spend half the year in San José, California.
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<BJKlein> is Santiago Ochoa stil working for WTA?
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<Jose> No, he is no longer working for the WTA, he was getting $300 a month for half-time, but he now got something better here:-)
<BJKlein> nice cryo wristband.. reminds me of the one Don Laughlin has (gold)
<outlawpoet> heh
<BJKlein> Chris Abbey holding "Rapture" .. who is chris?
<BJKlein> It's interesting to note that CI has has a faster increase in patients than Alcor over the past 2 yrs
<Jose> Chris Abbey is another US cryocinist living in Venezuela. As you see, it is very cheap to live in Venezuela:-)
<BJKlein> Alcor 12 new suspensision vs CI's 21 over 2yrs
<BJKlein> CI now has 3 more suspensions than Alcor (total 67)
<Jose> It might be the big price differences :-)
<BJKlein> for, perhaps last minute signups
<BJKlein> quiz:
<BJKlein> oldest person and age?
<Jose> How reliable are those numbers actually? Can you publicly verify that CI has 67 patients?
<outlawpoet> oldest person and age?
<BJKlein> from CI's and Alcor's magazine
<outlawpoet> I might be the youngest person, probably not anymore, though.
<BJKlein> heh
<outlawpoet> damn whippersnappers coming up under me.
<BJKlein> i see MA is in #sl4
<BJKlein> good to know he's back
<Jose> outlawpoet, how old are you?
<outlawpoet> 23
<BJKlein> 122 yrs - Jeanne Louise Calment (Feb 1997)
<BJKlein> what is the US ave lifespan?
<BJKlein> no google!
<Jose> 72 for men and 77 for women?
<BJKlein> 77 avg total i think
<BJKlein> how about for japan..
<BJKlein> which has the oldest avg
<Jose> How reliable are the numbers for cryopreservations? Can you publicly verify that CI has 67 patients?
<BJKlein> Jose, I'm taking #'s from CI's magazine
<BJKlein> "The Immortalist" ISSN 1079 7832
<BJKlein> Nov-Dec 2004
<BJKlein> Vol 36 No 11-12
<BJKlein> I've also visited CI and did see the dewers
<BJKlein> *dewars
<BJKlein> Avg human lifespan (Japan)
<BJKlein> 2003 - 85 yrs women
<BJKlein> 2003 - 78 yrs men
<BJKlein> Avg human lifespan (World):
<BJKlein> 1800 -- 24 yrs
<BJKlein> 1900 -- 48 yrs
<BJKlein> 2000 -- 63 yrs
<Jose> Still, a total number of 130 cryopreservations and 1100 members is ridiculously low for 6 billion people :-(
<outlawpoet> no freaking kidding
<outlawpoet> damn inertia
<outlawpoet> all those people just on the wrong side of social habits
<outlawpoet> it's horrible
<BJKlein> in asking Bob Ettinger, he said that things have not gone up fast, except for the Internet
<BJKlein> which has been good at helping to educate and attract people to signup
<BJKlein> quiz:
<BJKlein> oldest mouse?
<Jose> Is #sl4 holding a similar meeting at this time?
<Jose> Why is Michael Anissimov there and not here?
<BJKlein> not sure..
<ddhewitt> 1819 days oldest mouse.
<BJKlein> one week shy of 5 yrs... 4 yrs 11 mth
<Jose> not bad for a mouse :-)
<BJKlein> oldest living plant?
<BJKlein> BristelCone Pine (4,700+ yrs)
<BJKlein> no...
<Jose> thousands of years for sequoias and others :-)
<BJKlein> Mojave Desert creosote bush (12,000+ yrs)
<BJKlein> no...
<BJKlein> King's holly (43,600+ yrs)
<outlawpoet> bristlecone?
<BJKlein> yep, thus far known anyway.
<BJKlein> BristelCone Pine (4,700+ yrs)
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.o...t=ST&f=48&t=517<Jose> how about lobsters, are they really "immortal"?
<BJKlein> i think so, and there are other creatures who do look immortal:
<BJKlein> Hydra
<BJKlein> Sea Urchins
<BJKlein> Tetrahymena
<BJKlein> Bacteria
<ddhewitt> Some organisms seem to have achieved Aubrey's goal of negligible senescence.
<BJKlein> how long has been found the longest living bacteria?
<Jose> well, I thought about eating an immortal lobster for new years...
<BJKlein> heh
<BJKlein> 100,000 yrs?
<BJKlein> no...
<BJKlein> 100,000,000 yrs?
<BJKlein> no...
<BJKlein> 250,000,000 yrs
<BJKlein> yep
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<BJKlein> Bacteria (Alive after 250-million yrs)
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.o...ct=ST&f=48&t=66<outlawpoet> interesting
<BJKlein> anti-aging companies:
<BJKlein> Elixir Pharmaceuticals
<BJKlein> LifeGen Technologies
<BJKlein> Longenity
<BJKlein> Chronogen
<BJKlein> GeroTech
<BJKlein> Juvenon
<BJKlein> Rejuvenon
<ddhewitt> Geron
<BJKlein> ACT
<Jose> Bruce, tell us about the ImmInst plans...
<BJKlein> meet the mission: conquer death!
<BJKlein> meet our member's needs
<outlawpoet> needs?
<BJKlein> provide a platform for education, growth, speaking, articles, chats..
<BJKlein> video.. books.. forum..
<BJKlein> network network
<Jose> How about your wiki project?
<BJKlein> we're working on something similar
<BJKlein> actual ddhewitt and caliban are looking to this..
<BJKlein> a site more formal..
<BJKlein> as what CRN has done
<BJKlein> take ideas and put into professional webspace
<BJKlein> publish good esays..
<outlawpoet> important
<BJKlein> let ImmInst be the networking machine, ideas, etc..
<BJKlein> and perhaps immortality.org be the prof. front
<Jose> immortality.org has been slow lately :-(
<ddhewitt> I know. I have been busy trying to cure influenza. Sorry.
<BJKlein> heh
<Jose> influenza, which persons?
<ddhewitt> New vaccine.
<BJKlein> Jose, what are your travels these days?
<Jose> I am going to Ecuador, Colombia and Peru (the Andean countries to promote TransVision 2005) in February and March
<Jose> In April I will go to Brussels for the meeting of the UNU Millennium Project and start the Belgian chapter of the WTA
<Jose> July 22-24 is TransVision 2005 in Caracas
<Jose> And in August I go to the World Future Society meeting in Chicago... and then to Hungary for another futurist meeting...
<BJKlein> nice to see Jerry Glenn will speak
<Jose> Yes, he is great. How do you know him?
<BJKlein> he was kind to send a book after seeing my article
<BJKlein> "Future Mind"
<BJKlein> look to film him in DC in Feb
<Jose> Fantastic, he is a very good friend of mine. He has already been to Venezuela also:-)
<BJKlein> what is goal of Millennium Project
<Jose> To promote futures thinking:
http://www.acunu.org<Jose> Jerry Glenn is also a transhumanist, but he calls it conscious technology :-)
<BJKlein> better for funding?
<Jose> I guess :-)
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<BJKlein> Jose, would you like to know if you were to get alzheimer's
<BJKlein> or heart disease via genetic testing?
<Jose> Sure:-)
<BJKlein> why?
<Jose> So that I can take precautions!
<BJKlein> do you have family history?
<Jose> Not that I know, but people in poorer countries died earlier of other things...
<Jose> Well, Bruce, it was good to stay in touch and I hope that many ImmInst members come to TransVision 2005, an experience they will never forget. I guaratee it:-)
<BJKlein> thanks for joining us, jose.. take care!
<ddhewitt> See you Jose.
<Jose> Bye to everybody and have a very happy 2005, 2050, 2500, 5200 up to infinity:-)
<Jose> Immortally yours, La vie est belle!
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<outlawpoet> ciao
