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#1 smithx

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 12:08 PM


I'm confused as to the best current thinking about the optimal dosage of resveratrol per day.

I had been taking 2g of the RevGenetics 99% stuff, based on my body weight (85Kg) and extrapolating from some of the mouse studies, but then read a study in which there appeared to be a critical dosage range for benefits, with higher dosages producing less benefits.

So I cut down to 500mg.

Another reason I cut down is because I had longstanding tendon injuries which were not healing, and there had been some talk of resveratrol possibly either making people more prone to tendon issues or perhaps just slowing down the healing process.

But I'd like to draw on the expertise of the community here:

What do you think is the optimum dosage and why?

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Posted 06 November 2008 - 07:02 PM

I'm confused as to the best current thinking about the optimal dosage of resveratrol per day.

I had been taking 2g of the RevGenetics 99% stuff, based on my body weight (85Kg) and extrapolating from some of the mouse studies, but then read a study in which there appeared to be a critical dosage range for benefits, with higher dosages producing less benefits.

So I cut down to 500mg.

Another reason I cut down is because I had longstanding tendon injuries which were not healing, and there had been some talk of resveratrol possibly either making people more prone to tendon issues or perhaps just slowing down the healing process.

But I'd like to draw on the expertise of the community here:

What do you think is the optimum dosage and why?

I have pretty much the same question, especially as I have been increasing 1/3 gram per month (currently at 2.6 grams per day) since starting at 1 gram per day in June. So far my body hasn't made any major complaints, so I am starting to wonder at what point to stop increasing. My only addition to Smithx's question would be if Maxwatt happens to answer: My understanding is that Maxwatt was taking around 4 grams per day for a while, but cut down to somewhere between 2 and 3. Was there any disadvantages to taking 4 grams per day, or is the smaller dosage simply enough and using any more is a waste as far as your big toe is concerned?

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 12:49 PM

I'm confused as to the best current thinking about the optimal dosage of resveratrol per day.

I had been taking 2g of the RevGenetics 99% stuff, based on my body weight (85Kg) and extrapolating from some of the mouse studies, but then read a study in which there appeared to be a critical dosage range for benefits, with higher dosages producing less benefits.

So I cut down to 500mg.

Another reason I cut down is because I had longstanding tendon injuries which were not healing, and there had been some talk of resveratrol possibly either making people more prone to tendon issues or perhaps just slowing down the healing process.

But I'd like to draw on the expertise of the community here:

What do you think is the optimum dosage and why?

I have pretty much the same question, especially as I have been increasing 1/3 gram per month (currently at 2.6 grams per day) since starting at 1 gram per day in June. So far my body hasn't made any major complaints, so I am starting to wonder at what point to stop increasing. My only addition to Smithx's question would be if Maxwatt happens to answer: My understanding is that Maxwatt was taking around 4 grams per day for a while, but cut down to somewhere between 2 and 3. Was there any disadvantages to taking 4 grams per day, or is the smaller dosage simply enough and using any more is a waste as far as your big toe is concerned?

I found 2.5 grams were as effective for me as 4 or 5 grams.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 04:30 PM

I'm confused as to the best current thinking about the optimal dosage of resveratrol per day.

I had been taking 2g of the RevGenetics 99% stuff, based on my body weight (85Kg) and extrapolating from some of the mouse studies, but then read a study in which there appeared to be a critical dosage range for benefits, with higher dosages producing less benefits.

So I cut down to 500mg.

Another reason I cut down is because I had longstanding tendon injuries which were not healing, and there had been some talk of resveratrol possibly either making people more prone to tendon issues or perhaps just slowing down the healing process.

But I'd like to draw on the expertise of the community here:

What do you think is the optimum dosage and why?

I have pretty much the same question, especially as I have been increasing 1/3 gram per month (currently at 2.6 grams per day) since starting at 1 gram per day in June. So far my body hasn't made any major complaints, so I am starting to wonder at what point to stop increasing. My only addition to Smithx's question would be if Maxwatt happens to answer: My understanding is that Maxwatt was taking around 4 grams per day for a while, but cut down to somewhere between 2 and 3. Was there any disadvantages to taking 4 grams per day, or is the smaller dosage simply enough and using any more is a waste as far as your big toe is concerned?

I found 2.5 grams were as effective for me as 4 or 5 grams.

Thanks Maxwatt. As far as 2.5 being as effective as 4 or 5, does "effective" in your opinion include possible anti-cancer effects and/or stronger-faster-longer-lived mouse effects? Or are we just talking anti-inflammation effects? (Best case, as far as I'm concerned, is that you believe that 2.5 grams is just as good in every way as larger doses.)

If 2.5 grams does not give you the anti-cancer (, etc.) effects, my speculation is that you might be thinking that by the time you reached the dosage levels necessary to achieve those effects, you wouldn't be confident enough of the safety of such a dosage. Or, another factor might be that such a large dosage would be pretty expensive...

Edited by hmm, 07 November 2008 - 04:31 PM.


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Posted 07 November 2008 - 05:17 PM

I'm confused as to the best current thinking about the optimal dosage of resveratrol per day.

I had been taking 2g of the RevGenetics 99% stuff, based on my body weight (85Kg) and extrapolating from some of the mouse studies, but then read a study in which there appeared to be a critical dosage range for benefits, with higher dosages producing less benefits.

So I cut down to 500mg.

Another reason I cut down is because I had longstanding tendon injuries which were not healing, and there had been some talk of resveratrol possibly either making people more prone to tendon issues or perhaps just slowing down the healing process.

But I'd like to draw on the expertise of the community here:

What do you think is the optimum dosage and why?

I have pretty much the same question, especially as I have been increasing 1/3 gram per month (currently at 2.6 grams per day) since starting at 1 gram per day in June. So far my body hasn't made any major complaints, so I am starting to wonder at what point to stop increasing. My only addition to Smithx's question would be if Maxwatt happens to answer: My understanding is that Maxwatt was taking around 4 grams per day for a while, but cut down to somewhere between 2 and 3. Was there any disadvantages to taking 4 grams per day, or is the smaller dosage simply enough and using any more is a waste as far as your big toe is concerned?

I found 2.5 grams were as effective for me as 4 or 5 grams.

Thanks Maxwatt. As far as 2.5 being as effective as 4 or 5, does "effective" in your opinion include possible anti-cancer effects and/or stronger-faster-longer-lived mouse effects? Or are we just talking anti-inflammation effects? (Best case, as far as I'm concerned, is that you believe that 2.5 grams is just as good in every way as larger doses.)

If 2.5 grams does not give you the anti-cancer (, etc.) effects, my speculation is that you might be thinking that by the time you reached the dosage levels necessary to achieve those effects, you wouldn't be confident enough of the safety of such a dosage. Or, another factor might be that such a large dosage would be pretty expensive...


For both anti-inflammatory effects and for endurance-- I haven't had cancer to try it with. I think it will prove effective against cancer at these doses, given the mechanisms involved, but for acute situations such as thefirstimmortal, I am sure more is better.

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Posted 07 November 2008 - 10:40 PM

I'm actually hoping for facts-based responses on this, not just "works for me" responses.

Based on all the current studies, what dosage in mg/Kg seems to make the most sense?

Anyone?

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Posted 08 November 2008 - 12:13 AM

Hi Smithx,

I think the question you're asking is the current million dollar question when it comes to resveratrol. Unfortunately my method of deciding on a dosage size is not "scientific based" so it may not help. Its difficult to take the studies being done on mice and transferring that data into humans. While the mice give us "some" understanding the human body is much more complex and metabolizes differently. To take that a step further, one person may be able to take/need 300mg while another may not get the effects desired with that amount.

My approach has been to start with baseline blood tests so you have a starting point, then scaling into your dosage. Try a small amount for 7 days and then increase it gradually every 7 days there after. Take detailed notes and retest your blood levels after 30 days to see if there were any changes. If all is good continue on with your dosage increase but perhaps go a few weeks at a time prior to jumping up. You may find all "you" need is 300mg, others may need 2 grams. It seems since you were having trouble with a tendon injury you have already done this. Perhaps 500mg is the already the best dosage for you?

With a lack of human research data we have to do our best to "self study" the effects and share the information with each other. Hopefully we'll get some detailed research results and will know exactly what is needed to accomplish ones individual goals.

Cheers,

Markus

I'm actually hoping for facts-based responses on this, not just "works for me" responses.

Based on all the current studies, what dosage in mg/Kg seems to make the most sense?

Anyone?



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Posted 10 November 2008 - 04:38 PM

Find some studies below pointing that resveratrol just isn't bioavailable enough so i think that the more you pop the more money you throw away.There are better ways to get optimal health using the money you would normally spent on resveratrol.I still see it as a big hype.

Abstract Background and Aim: Several in vitro studies have demonstrated the ability of pure trans-resveratrol (t-Res) to act as an anti-oxidant, but the scientific literature is lacking in in vivo studies dealing with dietary t-Res bioavailability in oxidative stress models. Our aim was to investigate the bioavailability of t-Res from dietary sources and its effect on an animal model of carbon tetrachloride (CCl(4))-induced liver lipid peroxidation. Methods: Ten rats were intragastrically administered for 14 days with a grape-stalk extract determining a daily t-Res dosage of 3 mg/kg. The control group (10 rats) was daily injected with the vehicle solvent without the t-Res extract. After 1 week, the induction of liver lipid peroxidation by CCl(4) injection was carried out. Serum and liver samples, at different time intervals, were collected to evaluate t-Res content, by high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) and liquid chromatography-mass spectometry-mass spectometry (LC-MS-MS). Liver malondialdehyde (MDA) as marker of oxidative stress was measured. Results: t-Res accumulates in the liver reaching 49.8 +/- 10.2 ng/g after 7 days and 191.8 +/- 15.3 ng/g after 14 days. No t-Res was detected in serum. The increase of MDA liver concentration due to CCl(4) injection after 24 h and 1 week was reduced by 38% and a 63%, respectively, by the treatment with the t-Res extract. Conclusions: A moderate consumption of t-Res from a dietary source resulted in a time-dose-dependent liver accumulation. It was able to counteract in vivo CCl(4)-induced liver lipid peroxidation thus demonstrating the hepatoprotective property of t-Res.

Studies show that the plant polyphenol resveratrol can extend the life span of yeast, worms, flies, and fish. It also mitigates the metabolic dysfunction of mice fed high-fat diets. Resveratrol appears to mediate these effects partly by activating SIRT1, a deacetylase enzyme that regulates the activity of several transcriptional factors and enzymes responsive to nutrient availability. However, few foods contain resveratrol and humans metabolize it extensively, resulting in very low systemic bioavailability. Substantial research effort now focuses on identifying and testing more bioavailable and potent activators of SIRT1 for use as pharmacologic interventions in aging and age-related disorders

Epidemiological studies show a link between the consumption of plant-derived foods and a range of health benefits. These benefits have been associated, at least partially, to some of the phytochemical constituents, and, in particular, to polyphenols. In the last few years, nutraceuticals have appeared in the market. These are pharmaceutical forms (pills, powders, capsules, vials, etc.) containing food bioactive compounds as active principles. The bioactive phytochemicals have become a very significant source for nutraceutical ingredients. Scientific research supports the biological activity of many of these food phytochemicals, but the health claims attributed to the final marketed nutraceutical products have often little or doubtful scientific foundation. This is due to the fact that a lot of the scientific evidence is derived from animal testing and in vitro assays, whereas human clinical trials are scarce and inconclusive. Some key issues such as bioavailability, metabolism, dose/response and toxicity of these food bioactive compounds or the nutraceuticals themselves have not been well established yet. Amongst the phytochemicals, several groups of polyphenols (anthocyanins, proanthocyanidins, flavanones, isoflavones, resveratrol and ellagic acid) are currently used in the nutraceutical industry. In this report, we have reviewed the most recent scientific knowledge on the bioavailability and biological activity of these polyphenols ('fact'), as well as the health claims (which are not always supported by scientific studies) ascribed to the polyphenols-containing nutraceuticals ('fiction'). The in vitro antioxidant capacity, often used as a claim, can be irrelevant in terms of in vivo antioxidant effects. Bioavailability, metabolism, and tissue distribution of these polyphenols in humans are key factors that need to be clearly established in association to the biological effects of these polyphenols-containing nutraceuticals. The future trends of phytochemistry research regarding nutraceuticals are discussed.

Resveratrol (3,4',5-trihydroxy-trans-stilbene) is a polyphenolic compound accounting to the stilbene class. Most stilbenes in plants act as antifungal phytoalexins, compounds that are usually synthesized only in response to infection or injury. Resveratrol has been detected in trees, in a few flowering plants, in peanuts, and in grapevines. The major dietary sources of resveratrol include grapes, wine, peanuts, and peanut products. Numerous in vitro studies describe different biological effects of resveratrol. The major impacts are the antioxidative, anti-inflammatory, and estrogenic effects as well as anticancer and chemopreventive activities. In order to reveal information on absorption, metabolism, and the consequent bioavailability of resveratrol, different research approaches were performed, including in vitro, ex vivo, and in vivo models, all of which are considered in this review. Summarizing the data, resveratrol is absorbed and metabolized. Around 75% of this polyphenol are excreted via feces and urine. The oral bioavailability of resveratrol is almost zero due to rapid and extensive metabolism and the consequent formation of various metabolites as resveratrol glucuronides and resveratrol sulfates. The potential biologic activity of resveratrol conjugates should be considered in future investigations.

Many in vitro studies demonstrated significant biological effects of trans-resveratrol. Thus, understanding the rate of intestinal absorption and metabolization in vivo of trans-resveratrol is the prerequisite to evaluate its potential health impact. Bioavailability studies mainly in animals or in humans using the pure compound at very high doses were performed. In this work, trans-resveratrol bioavailability from a moderate consumption of red wine in 25 healthy humans has been studied by three different experiments. The wine ingestion was associated to three different dietary approaches: fasting, a standard meal, a meal with high and low amount of lipids. Trans-resveratrol 3- and 4'-glucuronides were synthesized, purified, and characterized as pure standards. Bioavailability data were obtained by measuring the concentration of free, 3-glucuronide and 4'-glucuronide trans-resveratrol by high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC), both with ultraviolet (UV) and mass spectrometry (MS) detection, in serum samples taken at different times after red wine administration. Free trans-resveratrol was found, in trace amounts, only in some serum samples collected 30 min after red wine ingestion while after longer times resveratrol glucuronides predominated. Trans-resveratrol bioavailability was shown to be independent from the meal or its lipid content. The finding in human serum of trans-resveratrol glucuronides, rather than the free form of the compound, with a high interindividual variability, raises some doubts about the health effects of dietary resveratrol consumption and suggests that the benefits associated to red wine consumption could be probably due to the whole antioxidant pool present in red wine.

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Posted 10 November 2008 - 07:55 PM

Find some studies below pointing that resveratrol just isn't bioavailable enough so i think that the more you pop the more money you throw away.There are better ways to get optimal health using the money you would normally spent on resveratrol.I still see it as a big hype.

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Except that Hedgehog did find not insignificant blood serum levels in his tests posted here, and there does potentially appear to be a mechanism of delivery independent of blood serum levels, via blood cell proteins. Depending on your cytochrome phenotype, you might achieve higher or lower levels from the same dose. Also, Sirtis did find some significan pharmacological effects at dosages of 2.5 grams and 5 grams per day. Albeit theirs was formulated for better absorption, I think at these levels some people would derive some benefit.

Edited by maxwatt, 10 November 2008 - 07:58 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2008 - 08:52 PM

Find some studies below pointing that resveratrol just isn't bioavailable enough so i think that the more you pop the more money you throw away.There are better ways to get optimal health using the money you would normally spent on resveratrol.I still see it as a big hype.

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Except that Hedgehog did find not insignificant blood serum levels in his tests posted here, and there does potentially appear to be a mechanism of delivery independent of blood serum levels, via blood cell proteins. Depending on your cytochrome phenotype, you might achieve higher or lower levels from the same dose. Also, Sirtis did find some significan pharmacological effects at dosages of 2.5 grams and 5 grams per day. Albeit theirs was formulated for better absorption, I think at these levels some people would derive some benefit.


The Sirtris SRT501 study was addressing type two diabetes, not cancer prevention, heart health, osteoperosis etc.. Maybe lower levels of resveratrol (and thus lower levels of SRT1 activation) are effective in prevening/treating other diseases. For instances, men who smoke and who drink two glasses of red wine per day are 60% Less Likely to get lung cancer -these are HUGE numbers. And we know that a glass of red wine might have 5mg of resveratrol in it (at the most). We know that smoking damages SIRT1 production as well. Red wine (i.e. low SIRT1 activation) is obviously doing a great thing for these men.

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Posted 11 November 2008 - 04:50 AM

So far, T-res has not been shown to be significantly bioavailable in terms of free T-res achievable in plasma. However, since even T-res in low dosages has shown CR mimetic effect in rodents, there could be other mechanisms not yet discovered, but, still, rodent metabolism is different from humans. I believe the attempts to increase plasma free T-res levels/bioavailability is not as important as determining the efficacy of T-res in terms of cancer treatment/prevention and aging/maximum lifespan extension in vivo, at different dosages. So far, to me, it's not convincing enough for me to splurge on T-res. I guess I'll stick to my low-dose (ever-changing dosage) of 500mg/day.

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 09:00 AM

Man, that's dirty. Anyway, wanna know if anyone's noticed a difference in how they feel when upping their dose. I'm currently at 100mg, but plan on moving up to 1g incrementally. I personally do notice a difference in energy and clarity simply by taking the 100mg, but I was wondering if there's anyone else out there who started at 100mg and moved up in dose, and actually noticed a difference between the varying dosages. Please let me know as detailed as you can what kind of differences, if any, you experienced. Cheers


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Posted 22 November 2008 - 03:08 PM

Man, that's dirty. Anyway, wanna know if anyone's noticed a difference in how they feel when upping their dose. I'm currently at 100mg, but plan on moving up to 1g incrementally. I personally do notice a difference in energy and clarity simply by taking the 100mg, but I was wondering if there's anyone else out there who started at 100mg and moved up in dose, and actually noticed a difference between the varying dosages. Please let me know as detailed as you can what kind of differences, if any, you experienced. Cheers


Crep

When I moved into the 300-400 mg range, I stopped getting generally sore after playing basketball. Aches and pains that had formerly plagued me for a couple of days after playing, stopped occurring. However, I still had pain in one of my heels after playing. It was bad enough so that I felt compelled to rub rsv-laced DMSO on the heel after a basketball session.

Last June I started taking 1 gram and increased about a third of a gram every month. Up to 1.3 grams, I still had the achilles pain at the end of basketball sessions. But from 1.6 grams and up, there was no more need for the DMSO. The pain in the heel became minimal so that I could feel a hint of pain at the end of a long session of basketball. But after finishing the session, even the hint of pain faded quickly.

I will soon be moving from 2.6 grams in November to 3 grams in December. But since the changes that I felt when increasing from 1.3 grams to 1.6 grams, the only real difference I have noted in the increments is that my intestines seem to be developing more of a tolerance for ingesting the rsv without my having to implement Maxwatt's sugar-water cure.

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Posted 22 November 2008 - 07:03 PM

Just my two cents since I cured my dog of cancer with it:
I think the dosage should be determined by whether or not you get diahrrea from it. If you do, you're taking more than you need. I'm saying this because when I first started giving it to Minni for cancer, I gave 7 grams in one dose and she didn't get diahrrea. Her stool was softer than normal, but not diahrrea. Now that she is "cured" when I give her more than 2 grams, she gets the runs. I think that's the body's way of saying
"too much".


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Posted 23 November 2008 - 06:33 AM

For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 11:34 AM

For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.


Leg aches and cramps can be due to dehydration, which can be a side effect where resveratrol leads to diarrhea or loose stool.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 03:48 PM

For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.


Leg aches and cramps can be due to dehydration, which can be a side effect where resveratrol leads to diarrhea or loose stool.


These weren't cramps, but they were aches. I never had diarrhea at those doses, and only occasionally had a loose stool. I did have large stools, though, I figure loaded with water.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 04:08 PM

For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.

This is totally coincidental, but oddly enough the same thing happened to me when I took too much pantothenic acid and when I cut back to 400 mg it solved the problem for me too. I wasn't taking resveratrol at the time.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:29 AM

For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.


Leg aches and cramps can be due to dehydration, which can be a side effect where resveratrol leads to diarrhea or loose stool.


These weren't cramps, but they were aches. I never had diarrhea at those doses, and only occasionally had a loose stool. I did have large stools, though, I figure loaded with water.


mild dehydration can manifest as muscle ache.

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 02:42 AM

For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.


Leg aches and cramps can be due to dehydration, which can be a side effect where resveratrol leads to diarrhea or loose stool.


These weren't cramps, but they were aches. I never had diarrhea at those doses, and only occasionally had a loose stool. I did have large stools, though, I figure loaded with water.


mild dehydration can manifest as muscle ache.


Aches? Or would there be cramps? Also, wouldn't I simply drink more fluids?

Edited by FuLL meMbeR, 24 November 2008 - 02:44 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2008 - 03:08 AM

For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.


Leg aches and cramps can be due to dehydration, which can be a side effect where resveratrol leads to diarrhea or loose stool.


These weren't cramps, but they were aches. I never had diarrhea at those doses, and only occasionally had a loose stool. I did have large stools, though, I figure loaded with water.


mild dehydration can manifest as muscle ache.


Aches? Or would there be cramps? Also, wouldn't I simply drink more fluids?

Try that, and some electrolytes. If it doesn't help, it wasn't dehydration.

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Posted 27 November 2008 - 03:48 AM

Hey gang, glad there were some replies, but I was referring more to general feelings of well being, endurance, energy, mental clarity etc. as opposed to aches and pains, etc. when increasing to 500mg or 1g. If anyone has anything valuable to report in those areas I would love to hear it. To be more specific, I'm kinda looking for a "I was taking 100mg and felt good then switched to 1g and felt GREAT!" you know, something along those lines :~ Or do you not feel much difference.

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For some time I had been taking two grams a day. I had mentioned in another thread that I had been having funny feelings in the muscles in my legs. Well, the feeling got worse. It became like an ache, something that would often wake me in the middle of the night. Many times I would wake in the middle of the night and need to take an Advil. I actually bought some BenGay too, made my house smell like an infirmary. Anyway, I cut the resveratrol back to about 400 mg a day about a month ago. The aching in my legs went away not long after. Coincidence? I don't know. I'm just glad I don't wake up in the middle of the night anymore. I should mention that I am also taking curcumin on a more regular basis now. I guess the extra variable confounds the data, but the aching-resveratrol link falls into that auto-immune issue some have mentioned.


Leg aches and cramps can be due to dehydration, which can be a side effect where resveratrol leads to diarrhea or loose stool.


These weren't cramps, but they were aches. I never had diarrhea at those doses, and only occasionally had a loose stool. I did have large stools, though, I figure loaded with water.


mild dehydration can manifest as muscle ache.


Aches? Or would there be cramps? Also, wouldn't I simply drink more fluids?

Try that, and some electrolytes. If it doesn't help, it wasn't dehydration.



#23 smithx

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 10:36 PM

Most of these responses have been anecdotal.

My question really was: based on the available research, how many mg/kg is most likely to be an optimal daily dose of resveratrol?


Any of the more science-based people care to weigh in?

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Posted 12 December 2008 - 01:43 AM

Most of these responses have been anecdotal.

My question really was: based on the available research, how many mg/kg is most likely to be an optimal daily dose of resveratrol?


Any of the more science-based people care to weigh in?



Depends on how well it's taken up into the body. You won't blood levels near the high nanomolar to the low micromolar range, it seems to me from all the research I've read. Also depends on if you take something else like quercetin, which can up the potency of resveratrol considerably (it seems). So, it's a hard question. I'd stick, and this is only my opinion, to 500mg-2g if its normal resveratrol, less if its micronized, and even less if it's coupled with tween or another delivery vehical that can greatly augment absorption. If with quercetin, I'd lean more towards 500mg-1g. You may have to experiment yourself, but it seems you don't need mega doses by any means to get most of resveratrol's effects, such as CR mimicry and cardiac/neuronal protection.

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Posted 10 April 2011 - 12:52 AM

I found a survey article that lists dosage and effects from different studies. It is free to download.

"Dose-Dependency of Resveratrol in Providing Health Benefits"
Subhendu Mukherjee, Jocelyn I. Dudley, Dipak K. Das  Cardiovascular
Research Center, University of Connecticut Health Center, School of Medicine,
263 Farmington Avenue, Farmington, CT 06030-1110, USA

Dose-Response, 8:478–500, 2010
Formerly Nonlinearity in Biology, Toxicology, and Medicine
Copyright © 2010 University of Massachusetts
ISSN: 1559-3258
DOI: 10.2203/dose-response.09-015.Mukherjee

You can find it here:
http://dose-response...ults,1:119866,1

On page 493 (page 16 of the pdf) you will find

"TABLE 2: Effects of Low and High Doses of Resveratrol on Health Benefits."

8 of the entries specify dosage in mg/kg of body weight and, of those, 5 do not specifically state that they are animal studies.

Edited by bentl, 10 April 2011 - 01:09 AM.


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Posted 18 April 2011 - 07:56 AM

I found a survey article that lists dosage and effects from different studies. It is free to download.

"Dose-Dependency of Resveratrol in Providing Health Benefits"


I seem to be late to the game on this. This study has better coverage in the "Dose dependent effects of resveratrol-a review" thread:

http://www.longecity...atrol-a-review/

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 02:24 PM

I found that 2 gram of the revgenetics stuff gives me a ton of clarity wich i dont achieve with lower doses.
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