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[j03]

I've posted this thread a couple times in the supplements forum, and both times it got derailed with sidebar tangents of why I want to take it, and ethical debates, etc. and I never get the response I sought. Hopefully posted as a regimen in this forum it will illict different feedback

So because of various reasons: Cost, not being able to get a Px, and not trusting most black-market retailers; I have been looking into a natural approach to boosting my HGH production.

I've been reading about the supplements Arginine/Ornothine/Lysine.

Also, I know most GH formulation supplements are scams, but I read a few positive reviews for Secretagogue Gold



http://www.powersupp...com/s-gold.html

So a regimin of Arginine, Ornothine, and Secretagogue Gold, in addition to my normal humble stack of: Ortho-Core, Omega 3, ALA, Resveritrol, Ashwaganda...

What are the the odds this might work exogenously to make my body produce more growth hormone?

Is there any other supplements i should be investigating?

All responses appreciated.

Edit: I'm also interested in what types of exercise routines and their intensity, etc. make your body produce GH. Also, the role of sleep: How much sleep, what times...

Basically anyway to get my GH level to a more youthful levels

Edited by j033, 10 April 2009 - 05:04 AM.

[dehbleh]

I only wish these products made a difference. Unfortunately there is little besides R-HGH that will give you a noticeable increase. If you need to increase GH levels on the cheap, try the following:

* More sleep... between the hours of 10PM-6AM (yes, the earlier in the night the better)
* Exercising, focusing on lifting heavy and high-intensity interval training
* Keeping carb intake restricted at night and directly after exercising
* Fasting and also exercising whilst in a fasted state
* A post-workout protein drink
* Chronic STRESS (not recommended!)

These will all do it for you until you can get some real gear ;P

I've posted this thread a couple times in the supplements forum, and both times it got derailed with sidebar tangents of why I want to take it, and ethical debates, etc. and I never get the response I sought. Hopefully posted as a regimen in this forum it will illict different feedback

So because of various reasons: Cost, not being able to get a Px, and not trusting most black-market retailers; I have been looking into a natural approach to boosting my HGH production.

I've been reading about the supplements Arginine/Ornothine/Lysine.

Also, I know most GH formulation supplements are scams, but I read a few positive reviews for Secretagogue Gold



http://www.powersupp...com/s-gold.html

So a regimin of Arginine, Ornothine, and Secretagogue Gold, in addition to my normal humble stack of: Ortho-Core, Omega 3, ALA, Resveritrol, Ashwaganda...

What are the the odds this might work exogenously to make my body produce more growth hormone?

Is there any other supplements i should be investigating?

All responses appreciated.

Edit: I'm also interested in what types of exercise routines and their intensity, etc. make your body produce GH. Also, the role of sleep: How much sleep, what times...

Basically anyway to get my GH level to a more youthful levels

[TheFountain]

I've read some reviews by body builders who insist that Secretagogue is the only HGH releaser, in powdered form, that actually works for them and some of these guys have tried just about everything available. In pill form, for an anabolic rush, I would try L-Arginine with L-ornithine as it might help to increase your gains if you are lifting weights or doing other resistance exercise. DHEA is considered one step away from growth hormone. Maybe you can cycle the Secretagogue and the DHEA and then report your results after a few weeks. The secretagogue actually contains pituitary substance from Pig brains.

I've posted this thread a couple times in the supplements forum, and both times it got derailed with sidebar tangents of why I want to take it, and ethical debates, etc. and I never get the response I sought. Hopefully posted as a regimen in this forum it will illict different feedback

So because of various reasons: Cost, not being able to get a Px, and not trusting most black-market retailers; I have been looking into a natural approach to boosting my HGH production.

I've been reading about the supplements Arginine/Ornothine/Lysine.

Also, I know most GH formulation supplements are scams, but I read a few positive reviews for Secretagogue Gold



http://www.powersupp...com/s-gold.html

So a regimin of Arginine, Ornothine, and Secretagogue Gold, in addition to my normal humble stack of: Ortho-Core, Omega 3, ALA, Resveritrol, Ashwaganda...

What are the the odds this might work exogenously to make my body produce more growth hormone?

Is there any other supplements i should be investigating?

All responses appreciated.

Edit: I'm also interested in what types of exercise routines and their intensity, etc. make your body produce GH. Also, the role of sleep: How much sleep, what times...

Basically anyway to get my GH level to a more youthful levels

Edited by TheFountain, 10 April 2009 - 01:22 PM.

[FunkOdyssey]

That supplement doesn't contain anything magical. Just take the amino acids alone to achieve the same effect (which will probably be relatively minor) for less money and without having to take l-dopa which increases oxidative stress in the brain.

[Lufega]

Squats are very helpful in this case as is pushing your car around focusing the intesity on the legs. There are videos of this on youtube.

Other ideas: forskolin? Watch 300 and fight club over and over and over again....

[tunt01]

del

Edited by prophets, 25 June 2017 - 06:18 PM.

[stuartes]

There is only one way to know if any of the products mentioned will move you HgH levels and that is through regular blood testing. You will probably discover that nothing other than injecting Hgh will bring your levels back to a youthful state. Check this site out http://www.rajeun.ne...juvenation.html . He sells Hgh but is also very knowledgeable and has a forum where you can get some other viewpoints.

I've posted this thread a couple times in the supplements forum, and both times it got derailed with sidebar tangents of why I want to take it, and ethical debates, etc. and I never get the response I sought. Hopefully posted as a regimen in this forum it will illict different feedback

So because of various reasons: Cost, not being able to get a Px, and not trusting most black-market retailers; I have been looking into a natural approach to boosting my HGH production.

I've been reading about the supplements Arginine/Ornothine/Lysine.

Also, I know most GH formulation supplements are scams, but I read a few positive reviews for Secretagogue Gold



http://www.powersupp...com/s-gold.html

So a regimin of Arginine, Ornothine, and Secretagogue Gold, in addition to my normal humble stack of: Ortho-Core, Omega 3, ALA, Resveritrol, Ashwaganda...

What are the the odds this might work exogenously to make my body produce more growth hormone?

Is there any other supplements i should be investigating?

All responses appreciated.

Edit: I'm also interested in what types of exercise routines and their intensity, etc. make your body produce GH. Also, the role of sleep: How much sleep, what times...

Basically anyway to get my GH level to a more youthful levels

[veronica]

I think with increasing GH, there are various risks involved. From what I read, lowering GH levels is asociated with increased lifespan. And the opposite might be also true. Look for example at large breeds of dogs, how short their lifespan is, compared to small breeds. High GH can also lead to cancer. Perhaps you could increase your GH in natural way through working out.

[Mind]

* Keeping carb intake restricted at night and directly after exercising

Just wondering about this one - in relation to a person's goals. If you are going purely for life extension, then this would seem to be good advice. If you are trying to build up extra muscle mass ("get big"), then isn't the general advice to injest carbs and protein right after a workout?

[Shepard]

* Keeping carb intake restricted at night and directly after exercising

Just wondering about this one - in relation to a person's goals. If you are going purely for life extension, then this would seem to be good advice. If you are trying to build up extra muscle mass ("get big"), then isn't the general advice to injest carbs and protein right after a workout?

People like De Vany and Di Pasquale have perpetrated this myth. The idea is that under normal conditions, insulin and GH are fairly antagonistic. Well then, increases in insulin after exercise must mean that growth hormone will go down. Not exactly:

http://jap.physiolog...stract/76/2/839

I also find it funny that some of the same people that advocated carbohydrates post exercise to counteract increases in cortisol (similar logic as above) just a few years ago, now follow the same type of hormonal-centric thinking and want to fast after exercising.

I'm also skeptical about the GH and circadian rhythm thing, as this didn't show much difference in humans. I would have preferred different styles of exercise, though. And, I've never spent much time looking into it. And, also note that growth hormone response to exercise goes down in the chronic state, so I'm not sure any of this is worth worrying about.

Edited by Shepard, 14 April 2009 - 03:09 AM.

[TheFountain]

That supplement doesn't contain anything magical. Just take the amino acids alone to achieve the same effect (which will probably be relatively minor) for less money and without having to take l-dopa which increases oxidative stress in the brain.

I didn't say it contains anything 'magical' just pituitary animal substance and a seemingly good delivery system. There have been no forthcoming scientific studies on this supplement so we shouldn't 'jump the gun' on it either way. Just experience it for yourself is my suggestion.

Edited by TheFountain, 11 April 2009 - 01:00 AM.

[j03]

I also think I'm going to add GABA, and Tyrosine.

So. Arginine, Ornothine, Lysine, GABA, Tyrosine... before work-outs, and before bed.

Opinions?

[j03]

I also think I'm going to add GABA, and Tyrosine.

So. Arginine, Ornothine, Lysine, GABA, Tyrosine... before work-outs, and before bed.

Opinions?

Am i going to run into absorption problems taking all those aminos at once?

[Logan]

I also think I'm going to add GABA, and Tyrosine.

So. Arginine, Ornothine, Lysine, GABA, Tyrosine... before work-outs, and before bed.

Opinions?

Am i going to run into absorption problems taking all those aminos at once?

I don't think you will have any problems with absorption. If you take a good whey protein with all of the amino acids in it, you are expected to absorb everything in it at once, I think. Just look at all of those secretatogue formulations, they have all that shit in it also and you are expected to be able to absorb it all. I don't think amino acids compete for absorption, I may be wrong. I have heard that glycine, ornothine, arginine and melatonin taken before bed is recommended as it can help to increase growth hormone in your sleep, when your body is releasing it. I just take whey protein, no ornothine, GABA or melatonin in it. I take my melatonin almost every night.

Like these guys said, the effects of supplementing aminos on GH may be minimal at best. I think exercise and quality sleep is the probably best. The best exercises for GH production are sprint workouts, someone mentioned interval training earlier. There is something called Sprint 8, where you sprint for a 30 seconds or a minute, go slow for 1 or 2 minutes, sprint for 30 seconds or a minute, and repeat for 12 to 20 minutes. You can do this on a bike, in the pool, treadmill, running outside, whatever. These workouts are also best for increasing and maintaining lung capacity. There is something else called CrossFit you might want to look into. It may just get you in the best shape of your life. Just google it or check it out on you tube. I have also heard that yoga and meditation can increase GH. It makes sense if when we sleep we produce the most of it. I currently do Bikram Yoga, it is amazing, good for everything. You won't be doing much meditating during that until you become really good at it.

[Dr. Powers]

I also think I'm going to add GABA, and Tyrosine.

So. Arginine, Ornothine, Lysine, GABA, Tyrosine... before work-outs, and before bed.

Opinions?

I have taking all but Lysine before workouts and before bed. They are all pretty very studied and proven to boost GH release. Before bed, no eating... at least no carbs is key too.

Your body adapts to Arginine very fast, I would do 3-4 days on , and take days off... otherwise you are wasting your money and your body is suffering... it expects it.... research it.....