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#1 lucid

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 02:47 AM


http://acne-advice.c...ish-journal.pdf

In this study we have evaluated the use of blue light (peak at 415 nm) and a mixed blue and red
light (peaks at 415 and 660 nm) in the treatment of acne vulgaris. One hundred and seven patients
with mild to moderate acne vulgaris were randomized into four treatment groups: blue light, mixed
blue and red light, cool white light and 5% benzoyl peroxide cream. Subjects in the phototherapy
groups used portable light sources and irradiation was carried out daily for 15 min. Comparative
assessment between the three light sources was made in an observer-blinded fashion, but this could
not be achieved for the use of benzoyl peroxide. Assessments were performed every 4 weeks. After
12 weeks of active treatment a mean improvement of 76% (95% confidence interval 66±87) in
inflammatory lesions was achieved by the combined blue±red light phototherapy; this was
significantly superior to that achieved by blue light (at weeks 4 and 8 but not week 12), benzoyl
peroxide (at weeks 8 and 12) or white light (at each assessment)
. The final mean improvement in
comedones by using blue±red light was 58% (95% confidence interval 45±71), again better than
that achieved by the other active treatments used, although the differences did not reach significant
levels. We have found that phototherapy with mixed blue±red light, probably by combining
antibacterial and anti-inflammatory action, is an effective means of treating acne vulgaris of mild to
moderate severity, with no significant short-term adverse effects.

Anyone tried this to treat their acne? Notice it is compared to 5% benzoyl peroxide which is pretty dern potent.
Omnilux is a common provider but their light boxes are pretty expensive. Anyone know of a cheap alternative to produce the blue and green light?
Anyone know of possible downsides...?

Side note: anyone have good experience with dawn simulator alarm clocks? Is it possible to get a quality one for less than $80?

#2 JohnDoe1234

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 03:12 AM

Well, being an electronics hobbiest, I'll point you to making your own...

For probably $25 you could make a pretty powerful array of LEDs on a small perfboard. Red LEDs are extremely cheap, you can get hundreds of high powered clear lense 5mm red LEDs for about $10, Blue is a slightly different story... Typically if you look for them in bulk you can get the same 5mm clear lense blue LEDs at about ~$.60... [EDIT: Actually, the Blue LEDs will probly be a little more than that]

You might be able to find some cheap lenses from old binoculars and make yourself a nice little high intensity zit-zapper, lol

Hell, I have the parts right here, and I could use one myself ;)

#3 krillin

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Posted 09 July 2007 - 07:33 PM

These guys sell arrays of red and/or blue LEDs.

http://www.elixa.com/light/arrays.htm

I just have a small red array that I use on my ankle when tendinitis flares up. I don't know how effective it is because I always combine its use with extra MSM, Celadrin, and boswellia.

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#4 lucid

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 01:10 AM

Thanks for the info,
Joseph, I am a little confused as to how I would hook up a power supply to a perfboard and control voltage over it etc... I imagine soldering the led's on wouldn't be terribly difficult though... I also would want it to be safe enough that I don't zap the @#$& out of myself when I am trying to get my zits.
So I have read that i need 320J/cm^2 of 405-420 nm light to effectively kill the bacteria. So that light is right in the middle of the Violet part of the visible spectrum. Would you put a link up to where you would buy the leds? And I will crunch the numbers to see how many leds are needed to have the lumen output that would hit the 320J/cm^2 limit? Thanks.

Also, would killing the bacteria fix standard whiteheads and blackheads? Like ones that haven't become inflamed / red. I was unclear whether the whiteheads and blackheads can occur without the bacteria present. I know that they are primarily composed of sebum which is naturally produced by the body, but I am not clear on whether the bacteria possibly obstructs the sebaceous gland or alters sebum produced to keep it from leaving the skin. Basically, I am wondering what good killing bacteria will do for less severe acne in the form of non-infected/not red whiteheads etc... Thanks.

They also mention applying some Aminolevulinic acid which causes the bacteria to produce more of the porphyrins which ultimately kill them. I don't really want to try that where as aminolevulinic acid looks like pretty serious stuff where as it can cause a fair amount of skin irritation and is used to remove warty growth and sun spots on old people.

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 01:31 AM

Could you parse out the range of spectrum of interest from the sun's rays with a prism and use some mirrors to redirect those onto your face?

#6 durandal

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 05:24 AM

Acne is easy: apply 2.5% benzoyl peroxide gel to entire face after washing with a mild soap, use a moisturizer on dry days, and never touch your face except for washing or applying topicals.

#7 lucid

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 05:42 AM

I like the idea of zapping it with light [glasses]

Also will benzoyl peroxide get rid of black heads and white heads or just infected acne bumps? -> My earlier question:

Also, would killing the bacteria fix standard whiteheads and blackheads? Like ones that haven't become inflamed / red. I was unclear whether the whiteheads and blackheads can occur without the bacteria present. I know that they are primarily composed of sebum which is naturally produced by the body, but I am not clear on whether the bacteria possibly obstructs the sebaceous gland or alters sebum produced to keep it from leaving the skin. Basically, I am wondering what good killing bacteria will do for less severe acne in the form of non-infected/not red whiteheads etc... Thanks.



#8 woly

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 10:54 AM

theres an ebay seller who has these

http://cgi.ebay.com....1QQcmdZViewItem

$54 USD, what do you guys think?

#9 durandal

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 02:19 PM

Taking care of your skin eliminates comedos. If that's not enough, Differin works really well.

#10 lucid

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Posted 10 July 2007 - 03:21 PM

I just shot that guy a message asking him about the products manufacturer and specs regarding light output. I would pay 54$ to give it a try if it is legit, it also claims other benefits such as removing wrinkles and decreasing pore size (which come from the red light). I'll let you know what he says.

Edited by lucid, 10 July 2007 - 05:39 PM.


#11 JohnDoe1234

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 01:10 AM

Hey, sorry about the late response, just been a tad bit busy around here preparing for school

It looks like that link krillin posted has some nice arrays, if you feel you want to spend the money for those, go ahead, it will save you a fair amount of time, but if you are on a tight budget, I would go homebrew... so here is a little info:

I also would want it to be safe enough that I don't zap the @#$& out of myself

First off, we should be ok with the amount of voltage/current we're dealing with, it's completely safe, you could even run it off of 6 or so AA batteries if it came down to it,... but you'll most likely want to just pick up an adapter similar to the one I'll list.

The website that I go to for my bulk needs is http://www.goldmine-elec.com

I tried to pick out a few bulk items that might help

Red LEDs
http://www.goldmine-...?number=G14169A
Red LEDs [Much higher intensity]
http://www.goldmine-...p?number=G8757A
Blue LEDs [These have colored Lenses, The clear lens ones are always 4-5 times more expensive, sorry for the misleading estimate]
http://www.goldmine-...?number=G15529A
Green LEDs [Also clear lens]
http://www.goldmine-...p?number=G9979A
Yellow [Notice how it gives us the power output, I guess we'll have to look harder or contact goldmine for the output of the other LEDs]
http://www.goldmine-...?number=G12860B
AC Adapter, this would most likely cover your needs for power [But you should still do some calcuations for power consuption, I can help with that if needed]
http://www.goldmine-...p?number=G15566

Without the light power output for the individual LEDs it would be hard to build one of the arrays to spec, but surely you can find other bulk LEDs with the rating given (or just contact goldmine with the product numbers), um, if you do decide to go homebrew, I can try to help you set up the arrays with a specific power supply setup... I'm actually thinking about making one myself with the parts I have here (time permitting)

Could you parse out the range of spectrum of interest from the sun's rays with a prism and use some mirrors to redirect those onto your face?


Now that would be one hot product! Seriously... I think something like that would catch on it is was made fairly portable.

#12 fast turtle

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 01:56 AM

niacinamide cream works wonders for me..

#13 woly

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 03:14 AM

niacinamide cream works wonders for me..

interesting, heres a study on it too

where did you get it from?

Edited by woly, 11 July 2007 - 03:24 AM.


#14 jubai

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 09:48 PM

red light therapy is great for rosacea sufferers

check out there http://forum.rosaceagroup.org/

whole forum section about it!

#15 ajnast4r

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Posted 11 July 2007 - 10:00 PM

niacinamide cream works wonders for me..

interesting, heres a study on it too

where did you get it from?

'

i had no success with niacinamide gel.. but:

http://www.lifelinkn...ts/Metazene.asp

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 02:34 AM

There are some good prebuilt LED lights now. Check these out that are right on the correct wavelengths, extremely bright, and screw into normal lamps:

http://www.acne.org/...33-t156864.html

Edited by Brian, 14 July 2007 - 02:51 AM.


#17 lucid

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 05:56 AM

Thanks for the info,
Those lights look really powerful, but they are 119$ a pop (The red bulbs are 90$ I think). I am thinking maybe if I charge my frat brothers 10$ a piece for 4 weeks of therapy hmmm.

The biggest problem that I have is Milia (non-inflamed closed whiteheads) on my arms. Apparently these lights don't help with milia or black heads:

This light source had no significant effect on comedones.

http://www.caci.co.n...rary/100060.pdf

I read that Milia are frequently caused by sun damage which causes the skin to be extra thick, I guess I spent too many summers out in the sun :(
People on the acne forum suggest using Retin-A for the comedones. A user on there said that the combination of light therapy with retin-a gave him perfect skin.

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 03:41 AM

Well I ended up buying some LED flood lights from sci-art. It was pricy: 115 for the blue light and 90 for the red one. They are Really bright though. At only 22 watts a peice they sure can crank out some light output.
http://the-shoppes-a...-art-global.com
I got the 415 frequency blue flood light and the red flood light. I built a little rig and had my first acne light nuking session today. I'll keep you posted over the course of the next couple months as to how well this worked...

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Posted 03 August 2007 - 04:49 AM

I had a little acne in high school. So I decided to go to the dermatologist to see if she could do anything (despite everyone telling me that dermatology doesn't work well with acne...). Anyway, I went on acutane for no more than 4 months (this was when I was 18). I don't think I've had a single instance of any of it since.

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 02:05 PM

Hi I'm writing a paper on light therapy and SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and was wandering if anyone knew of a good site where I could get some information.
The information I need is on light therapy, SAD, Winter blues etc...

#21 lucid

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Posted 05 November 2008 - 04:57 PM

Hi I'm writing a paper on light therapy and SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and was wandering if anyone knew of a good site where I could get some information.
The information I need is on light therapy, SAD, Winter blues etc...

Wiki is always a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia....ective_disorder

One good paper to get you started:
http://www.pubmedcen...p;artid=2553185
If you look at references at the bottom, that should give you a good launching point for other papers.

#22 Band

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Posted 13 November 2008 - 03:54 PM

Hi I'm writing a paper on light therapy and SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and was wandering if anyone knew of a good site where I could get some information.
The information I need is on light therapy, SAD, Winter blues etc...

Wiki is always a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia....ective_disorder

One good paper to get you started:
http://www.pubmedcen...p;artid=2553185
If you look at references at the bottom, that should give you a good launching point for other papers.



You could also try this site which I found a few days ago http://www.solvital-lighthterapy.co.uk it is complete there is a lot of information which could help you.
Let us know how it goes.

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Posted 15 November 2008 - 09:02 AM

Thanks for the help these sites are really interesting, I'm really greatful

Hi I'm writing a paper on light therapy and SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and was wandering if anyone knew of a good site where I could get some information.
The information I need is on light therapy, SAD, Winter blues etc...

Wiki is always a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia....ective_disorder

One good paper to get you started:
http://www.pubmedcen...p;artid=2553185
If you look at references at the bottom, that should give you a good launching point for other papers.



You could also try this site which I found a few days ago http://www.solvital-lighthterapy.co.uk it is complete there is a lot of information which could help you.
Let us know how it goes.



#24 Alain Joseph

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:56 AM

but I did this acne blue light therapy from a cosmetic laser clinic of Toronto. It was done in a perfect way leaving no side effects.




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