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[tarbtl]

Hey guys,

Just got some of this stuff from airsealed. I popped up to 20mg and it made me even more anxious. Didn't help with anxiety at all and even gave me a nasty headache.

FWIW, I get a FULL effect from legit prescription 0.5mg ativan.. so this was a huge surprise to me. Maybe this stuff is bunk?

[FunkOdyssey]

I don't know about their diazepam, but their alprazolam definitely works. [wis]

[tarbtl]

Is that a sarcastic smiley? lol

Their xanax does indeed seem legit .I havn't tried it yet.

I just popped a 0.75mg of airsealed's "ativan" two hours ago and don't feel anything.

maybe it's just me. DaSense seems to have a good rep on here so I am definietly not ripping on him or anything I Just think it's weird that valium would have zero effect on me.

[niner]

For what it's worth, Librium does absolutely nothing for me, while Valium and other bzs work fine. I think the fact that .75mg of their "ativan" does nothing while .5 of the real deal works for you is a sign... The paradoxical response and headache from the Valium are another. Have you taken Valium before? Maybe this is just what your body does when presented with Valium. Or maybe it's bunk.

[tarbtl]

Well..

When I took 0.5 of the "real deal" i DEFINITELY had a "knocked out" feeling all over.

I'm about 3 hours into the 0.75 of airsealed's ativan and I'm definietly noticing a sedating feeling so maybe It's just because I developed a tolerance prior to that. I took about 20 0.5mg pills of ativan in the span of 2 months prior to that.

As for the valium.. it was my first time. A most complete dissapointement in my book. What am I suposed to feel???

Will report back on the Xanax tomorrow

[franknyc]

Woah...Xanax, Valium? Not that I have anything against either of those, but can they rightly be classified as nootropics? All I know is I don't think I'd be poppin either of those to get some work done ;-)

[FunkOdyssey]

Actually, I remember seeing evidence that alprazolam (but no other benzodiazepenes) at a low dose of .5mg does improve some measures of cognitive performance. I wouldn't recommend using it for that reason though. In my case, I take it very infrequently to prevent anxiety in stressful situations (court appearance, medical procedure) or induce sleep. Excellent drug for these purposes.

[pycnogenol]

Hi FunkOdyssey,

How does phenibut compare to alprazolam? I'm thinking about trying phenibut.

[FunkOdyssey]

It depends on what you are using it for. Compared to alprazolam, phenibut is a little more hit-or-miss as to whether you will get a useful effect out of it. Tolerance to phenibut builds more rapidly and that tolerance is more persistent over time. It does seem to be popular because its a legal supplement vs. a scheduled drug and it might have more recreational potential. However, it is not as effective as any of the benzodiazepenes for short-term treatment of anxiety or insomnia (none of these GABA-centric substances are effective long-term -- tolerance is inevitable).

[pycnogenol]

It depends on what you are using it for.

Hi Funk,

Thanks for your reply.

I was thinking about trying phenibut prior to having basic dental work done so I can relax a bit.

Would phenibut be useful for that purpose?

[luv2increase]

Try out this little concoction:

-1g of Valerian Root Extract (8mg total of valerenic acids)
-25mg of Diphenhydramine (Benedryl)
-1-2 tabs of Hylands Nerve Tonic Stress Relief Formula (optional)


In about an hour you'll feel as if you've had a xanax bar or 20-30mg of valium. It definitely works well and is safer IMO than the scheduled stuff.

You can up the valerian to 1.5g and the Benedryl to 50mg if you really want to be knocked out. Adding some passionflower wouldn't hurt either but is probably not needed.

[tarbtl]

Well, I have double-confirmed that the Valium is complete and utter shit.

I don't know if the stuff is bunk or if I simply do not respond well to but but I'm quite dissapointed.

I took 30mg of the Valium and felt shaky and anxious. What the hell?

Also, I took up to 3mg of the Ativan and it had very little effect. I took 0.5mg of some real Ativan that was prescribed to my mom and it knocked me out cold.

Definitely something fishy going on. DaSense can you explain?

[tarbtl]

Last night, I took ONE FULL 2.5 tab of Airsealed's "Ativan" and it gave me incredible anxiety, nausea and I didn't get a single minute of sleep all night.

Counter this with prescription Ativan (0.5) which completely knocks me out cold within 30 minutes.

SOMETHING is definitely going on. This is all starting to seem like some really shady shit and I'm a bit dissapointed that more people aren't chiming in. DaSense's Xanax is oen of his site's top sellers right now.

[jubai]

this should be checked out, but do not discard the seller from this experience, as a lot of people (including myself) got great, equivalent results with other supplements

[tarbtl]

Of course, that's the only reason I bought from him - the positive rep.

But I did shell in a lot of money to get the stuff. If it turns out to be fake then you can understand how bummed out I'd be.

You'd think I'd "feel" a little something from 1mg Xanax but I absolutely don't. I feel more from 2 shots of Vodka than the Xanax.

[ikaros]

Of course, that's the only reason I bought from him - the positive rep.

But I did shell in a lot of money to get the stuff. If it turns out to be fake then you can understand how bummed out I'd be.

You'd think I'd "feel" a little something from 1mg Xanax but I absolutely don't. I feel more from 2 shots of Vodka than the Xanax.

You're either a member of the lucky club of very few people who have paradoxical reaction to benzos or the stuff you ordered isn't really the right stuff. Benzodiazepines really are the number one thing which effectively and significantly sedate and reduce anxiety.

[tarbtl]

Doubt it. Real ativan does wonders for me.

I wonder how hard it is to get prescribed some Valium so I could compare..

[brotherx]

By the way - I am assuming that Diazepam is not helping at all to keep a clear mind or get a sustainable good nights sleep.
This is in my humble opinion a dead end.

Cheers

Alex

Doubt it. Real ativan does wonders for me.

I wonder how hard it is to get prescribed some Valium so I could compare..

[tarbtl]

By the way - I am assuming that Diazepam is not helping at all to keep a clear mind or get a sustainable good nights sleep.
This is in my humble opinion a dead end.

Cheers

Alex

Doubt it. Real ativan does wonders for me.

I wonder how hard it is to get prescribed some Valium so I could compare..

The worst for me pre-sleep was the Xanax (again, from Airsealed).

It got me sleepy enough to "sleep" but I spent the night in a sort of semi-awake zombie state. Not conscious but just enough to know that I wasn't fully asleep.

Spent 7 hours like this and had the worst day of my life the next day in terms of grogginess, etc.

[brotherx]

Why are you searching help from such sleep aids? They can put you in some deep trouble.
I know there are those nights - where you have too much going on in your head - and you just want to relax and sleep - but over the longer time - you are better of without things like diazepam.

Cheers

Alex

By the way - I am assuming that Diazepam is not helping at all to keep a clear mind or get a sustainable good nights sleep.
This is in my humble opinion a dead end.

Cheers

Alex

Doubt it. Real ativan does wonders for me.

I wonder how hard it is to get prescribed some Valium so I could compare..

The worst for me pre-sleep was the Xanax (again, from Airsealed).

It got me sleepy enough to "sleep" but I spent the night in a sort of semi-awake zombie state. Not conscious but just enough to know that I wasn't fully asleep.

Spent 7 hours like this and had the worst day of my life the next day in terms of grogginess, etc.

[brotherx]

You might want to take this into consideration:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam (accessed: 08.09.2007
Diazepam is therefore only recommended for short term therapy at the lowest possible dose due to risks of severe withdrawal problems from low doses even after gradual reduction.[31] There is a significant risk of pharmacological dependence on diazepam and patients experiencing the benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome if it is taken for 6 weeks or longer.[32]

Diazepam may impair the ability to drive vehicles or operate machinery. The impairment is worsened by consumption of alcohol, because both act as central nervous system depressants.[12]

During the course of therapy, tolerance to the sedative effects usually develops, but not to the anxiolytic and myorelaxant effects.[33]


Cheers

Alex

By the way - I am assuming that Diazepam is not helping at all to keep a clear mind or get a sustainable good nights sleep.
This is in my humble opinion a dead end.

Cheers

Alex

Doubt it. Real ativan does wonders for me.

I wonder how hard it is to get prescribed some Valium so I could compare..

The worst for me pre-sleep was the Xanax (again, from Airsealed).

It got me sleepy enough to "sleep" but I spent the night in a sort of semi-awake zombie state. Not conscious but just enough to know that I wasn't fully asleep.

Spent 7 hours like this and had the worst day of my life the next day in terms of grogginess, etc.

[FunkOdyssey]

The worst for me pre-sleep was the Xanax (again, from Airsealed).

It got me sleepy enough to "sleep" but I spent the night in a sort of semi-awake zombie state. Not conscious but just enough to know that I wasn't fully asleep.

Spent 7 hours like this and had the worst day of my life the next day in terms of grogginess, etc.

No one said benzodiazepines would produce good quality sleep. It is well known that they have a detrimental effect on sleep structure. They simply allow you to fall asleep when you otherwise would not be able to due to stress or excessive mental activity / stimulation around bedtime. If your girlfriend broke up with you and you were freaking out, or your dog died, and you still needed to get some rest for work the next day, that is the kind of situation you use a benzo for. Or maybe you foolishly drank 3 cups of coffee at 10pm, and need a sedating agent to counteract the caffeine. It seems like you are attempting to use it for other reasons, not as the short-term / emergency use that is recommended.

If the Xanax "got you sleepy", its working -- you may not get the effects you were hoping for, but that's a matter of individual response. Airsealed's xanax is definitely not bunk (again, I haven't tried their other benzo products so I can't comment there).

[tarbtl]

K. I don't use benzos for pre-sleep I just experimented to see what effect I would get.

I usually don't have any trouble falling asleep.

[luv2increase]

K. I don't use benzos for pre-sleep I just experimented to see what effect I would get.

I usually don't have any trouble falling asleep.

Druggy