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#1 Ghostrider

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 03:40 AM


I like Ortho Core, but I am also frugal. Is there an equally good and most cost-effective substitute?

#2 Shepard

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 03:50 AM

Check out AOR Essential Mix or Multi-Basics 3.

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#3 Shannon Vyff

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 04:27 AM

Can we go more frugal that AOR?

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 04:43 AM

I've compromised with 1/2 dose ortho-core. I really haven't found anything that compares.

My criteria
1) No niacinamide
2) Mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols instead of a mega dose of alpha-tocopherol
3) Mixed cartenoids instead of a mega dose of beta carotene
4) No iron and no megadoses of minerals that might be harmful
5) Correct version of vitamins and minerals (K2 versus K1, no oxides, etc).

Extras:
1) Sulforaphane
2) Chlorophyllin
3) PQQ
4) Taurine, TMG, etc.

Edited by health_nutty, 05 September 2007 - 05:08 PM.


#5 ajnast4r

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 10:26 AM

no

#6 krillin

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 05:03 PM

Benfotiamine Multi B plus lots of individual pills. It's much cheaper and customizable.

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 05:11 PM

Benfotiamine Multi B plus lots of individual pills. It's much cheaper and customizable.


That's an interesting idea.

I would want:
1) Mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols
2) Magnesium glycinate
3) Zinc
4) vitamin K2
5) Selenium
6) benfotiamine + other b's
7) Vitamin D3

Anything I'm missing that is in ortho core that I can't get in a fruit and veggie rich diet?

Edited by health_nutty, 05 September 2007 - 07:02 PM.


#8 luminous

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 08:46 AM

health nutty, what's wrong with niacinamide?

#9 health_nutty

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 04:27 PM

health nutty, what's wrong with niacinamide?


It inhibits SIRT1 which many are trying to activate with resveratrol.

#10 Ghostrider

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 04:30 AM

Ok, I am convinced, sticking with the Ortho Core. My health is worth more than money.

#11 nameless

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 06:10 AM

What is the consensus regarding Ortho-Core and the high amount of selenium it contains? 200mcg for a full dose seems rather high and could possibly promote diabetes (if that recent selenium study is accurate).

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 04:43 PM

Ok, I am convinced, sticking with the Ortho Core.  My health is worth more than money.


AOR multi-3 is pretty solid as well. It's only missing the extras.

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 07:01 PM

What is the consensus regarding Ortho-Core and the high amount of selenium it contains? 200mcg for a full dose seems rather high and could possibly promote diabetes (if that recent selenium study is accurate).


A lot of people are taking half doses to get 100 mcg. This agrees with the crude calculation that I did.

Michael R. thinks the RDA is enough.

#14 Gerald W. Gaston

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 08:33 PM

health nutty, what's wrong with niacinamide?


It inhibits SIRT1 which many are trying to activate with resveratrol.


But nicotinic acid is OK in this regard IIRC. I love a slight niacin flush [thumb]

http://www.jbc.org/c...ll/277/47/45099

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 12:28 AM

I find it odd that everyone half-doses Ortho-core and yet gives AOR so much credit for their selection and appropriate dosing. If they truly are advanced in research, application and selection of its ingredients and how much...isn't it counterintuitive to half-dose it? I keep reading this 1/2 dose all over this board. Is it a cost issue? Again I find it baffling to give them all the credit in the world (let me say they do deserve it), but then half dose it. This is just left me bewildered.

#16 nameless

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 02:07 AM

I've also found it odd that ortho-core is generally considered the best 'multi' here, yet many half-dose it.

I personally have been trying New Chapter's Every Man (one daily), but I can't say if it's better or worse than AOR products. I know many here would consider it worse, but at least it's a lot cheaper and it should cover the basics.

#17 rodentman

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 02:15 AM

I take a full dose, and have from the start. But I am a large person. Maybe it makes sence for smaller people, especially those practicing CR.

#18 Ghostrider

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Posted 08 September 2007 - 03:24 AM

I take about 6 capsules of AOR OrthoCore a day. 3 at lunch, 3 at dinner. I weigh around 125 and assume that the 9 capsules per day corresponds to someone who is around 180-200 pounds.

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 06:04 PM

health nutty, what's wrong with niacinamide?


It inhibits SIRT1 which many are trying to activate with resveratrol.


This article on Andrew Saul's site makes the claim that niacinamide is inferior for improving cholesterol:

Abram Hoffer, M.D., Ph.D. explains: "Niacin is one of the best substances for elevating high density lipoprotein cholesterol (the "good cholesterol) and so decreases the ratio of the total cholesterol over  high density cholesterol."
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There is nothing wrong with niacinAMIDE, by the way.  That form of vitamin B-3 is frequently found in multiple vitamins and B-complex preparations.  Niacinamide does not cause a flush at all.  In my opinion, it is less effective in inducing relaxation and calming effects.  Niacinamide also does not significantly lower serum cholesterol.  This is an important distinction to make when purchasing.


I was unaware that niacin could improve HDL.

Stephen

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 07:42 PM

What do you guys think about NOW Adam?

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#21 health_nutty

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Posted 10 September 2007 - 08:09 PM

It's not bad as far as other multi's go, but not as good as multi basic 3.




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