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#1 GoodFellas

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:39 AM


What supps are you taking weekly, monthly etc, but not daily? For me that would be Himalaya Live Care.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 09:34 AM

Bumping this one a little bit..

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 02:25 PM

for me, deprenyl I only need once per week because of my young age, and K2 twice weekly. aniracetam is also only taken on weekdays

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 05:33 PM

What supps are you taking weekly, monthly etc, but not daily? For me that would be Himalaya Live Care.


I take Vitamin K2 3 times a week as well as Vitamin C time release capsule (on days I don't exercise).

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 10:18 PM

What supps are you taking weekly, monthly etc, but not daily? For me that would be Himalaya Live Care.


I take Vitamin K2 3 times a week as well as Vitamin C time release capsule (on days I don't exercise).


I know I read this somewhere but I can't remember right now. Why no Vitamin C with exercise?

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 10:40 PM

What supps are you taking weekly, monthly etc, but not daily? For me that would be Himalaya Live Care.


I take Vitamin K2 3 times a week as well as Vitamin C time release capsule (on days I don't exercise).


I know I read this somewhere but I can't remember right now. Why no Vitamin C with exercise?


There was a study that showed Vitamin C reduced the benefits of exercise (there's another study with Vitamin E as well). You can likely find the study in threads that discuss Vitamin C

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 10:48 PM

One thing about that vitamin C study:

Wouldn't this more or less apply to all antioxidants? Not just C, but E, CoQ10, grapeseed, or foods high in antioxidants (blueberries, etc)?

And if a concern, why not just take the vitamin C in the evening before bedtime, instead?

Edited by nameless, 11 May 2009 - 10:48 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 12:59 AM

One thing about that vitamin C study:

Wouldn't this more or less apply to all antioxidants? Not just C, but E, CoQ10, grapeseed, or foods high in antioxidants (blueberries, etc)?

And if a concern, why not just take the vitamin C in the evening before bedtime, instead?


It appears to be the case with E; there was a Vitamin E study conducted on the elderly and exercise that showed E reduced the benefits of Knee exercises. As for taking C later in the day, the issue is that we don't know how long it takes our body's own antioxidants to repair damage after a workout, thus I believe it's better to take on days with no exercise. I'm not sure about antioxidants found in food, though can we deduce the levels are far less than what you would find in supplements?

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 01:12 AM

It appears to be the case with E; there was a Vitamin E study conducted on the elderly and exercise that showed E reduced the benefits of Knee exercises. As for taking C later in the day, the issue is that we don't know how long it takes our body's own antioxidants to repair damage after a workout, thus I believe it's better to take on days with no exercise. I'm not sure about antioxidants found in food, though can we deduce the levels are far less than what you would find in supplements?

I'm not sure. You won't get megadoses of C from food (unless you eat a barrel of acerola cherries or something), but foods with high ORAC values may be more biovailable than a pill would be.

I suppose there are studies out there that measure plasma antioxidant values before and after eating certain types of fruits, so they may be worth looking at.

One example could be grapeseed, which is supposedly a decent antioxidant. Say one 100mg capsule is equivalent to a glass of wine. So wouldn't drinking one glass of wine (or grape juice) also interfere with exercise benefits?

Or a cup of blueberries? Or several apples?

Edit: According to this article --
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16678580

One apple is equivalent to the antioxidant level of 1500mg vitamin C.

Edited by nameless, 12 May 2009 - 01:19 AM.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 01:31 AM

It appears to be the case with E; there was a Vitamin E study conducted on the elderly and exercise that showed E reduced the benefits of Knee exercises. As for taking C later in the day, the issue is that we don't know how long it takes our body's own antioxidants to repair damage after a workout, thus I believe it's better to take on days with no exercise. I'm not sure about antioxidants found in food, though can we deduce the levels are far less than what you would find in supplements?

I'm not sure. You won't get megadoses of C from food (unless you eat a barrel of acerola cherries or something), but foods with high ORAC values may be more biovailable than a pill would be.

I suppose there are studies out there that measure plasma antioxidant values before and after eating certain types of fruits, so they may be worth looking at.

One example could be grapeseed, which is supposedly a decent antioxidant. Say one 100mg capsule is equivalent to a glass of wine. So wouldn't drinking one glass of wine (or grape juice) also interfere with exercise benefits?

Or a cup of blueberries? Or several apples?

Edit: According to this article --
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16678580

One apple is equivalent to the antioxidant level of 1500mg vitamin C.


Those results are surprising, though wouldn't exercise fanatics have noticed something negative from eating a diet rich in veggies and fruits? More research on this issue is likely warranted. However, didn't Duke mention once that the body removed certain food source antioxidants from the body before they even do their work? He said it in regards to people eating certain foods for the antioxidant levels. I don't remember the thread in which it was posted but I will see if I can find it.

Edited by Dmitri, 12 May 2009 - 04:42 AM.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 04:41 AM

It appears to be the case with E; there was a Vitamin E study conducted on the elderly and exercise that showed E reduced the benefits of Knee exercises. As for taking C later in the day, the issue is that we don't know how long it takes our body's own antioxidants to repair damage after a workout, thus I believe it's better to take on days with no exercise. I'm not sure about antioxidants found in food, though can we deduce the levels are far less than what you would find in supplements?

I'm not sure. You won't get megadoses of C from food (unless you eat a barrel of acerola cherries or something), but foods with high ORAC values may be more biovailable than a pill would be.

I suppose there are studies out there that measure plasma antioxidant values before and after eating certain types of fruits, so they may be worth looking at.

One example could be grapeseed, which is supposedly a decent antioxidant. Say one 100mg capsule is equivalent to a glass of wine. So wouldn't drinking one glass of wine (or grape juice) also interfere with exercise benefits?

Or a cup of blueberries? Or several apples?

Edit: According to this article --
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16678580

One apple is equivalent to the antioxidant level of 1500mg vitamin C.


Here's Duke's comment on certain food based antioxidants: http://www.imminst.o...o...c=28209&hl=

However, as I've said for years, antioxidants generally don't do much for us -- they're a giant red-herring. Most plant-based antioxidants are blocked from circulation in our blood or quickly dismantled by our toxic removal organ, the liver. These food-based antioxidants are generally seen an foreign intruders by our body and dealt with accordingly. And almost known can get past the blood-brain barrier. And finally, even the few that do get into our blood do not make it within our cells, where antioxidants are most needed due to the metabolically generated free-radicals of the mitochondria.

So, polyphenol antioxidants, on their own, should be viewed with a skeptical eye, in terms of delivering a health benefit.


About the msn article it mentions that the antioxidant power in apples comes from flavonoids; perhaps flavonoids have no adverse effects in the body when it comes to exercise? In wikipedia it's believed that fruits and vegetables health properties come more from the flavonoids than the known vitamins and minerals.

Edited by Dmitri, 12 May 2009 - 04:43 AM.


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Posted 12 May 2009 - 05:02 AM

It certainly seems possible that antioxidants absorbed from food interacts with the body differently than in supplement form. And remember Duke is big on vitamin C too, so perhaps he doesn't prescribe to the vitamin C/exercise theory? I think at one time he was taking 4 grams daily, although now I think he's down to 1.5 grams.

Although if vitamin C does negatively affect the benefits of exercise, then all antioxidants may be in play. Green tea, CoQ10, all forms of vitamin E, etc. Even the antioxidants in your multi would have a negative effect.

Unless it's somehow just ascorbic acid (or E) that causes a problem?

Or perhaps the study was flawed? There are contradictory studies, afterall...

Or maybe it only matters if antioxidants are taken within close proximity to muscle injuries?

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Posted 12 May 2009 - 05:14 AM

It certainly seems possible that antioxidants absorbed from food interacts with the body differently than in supplement form. And remember Duke is big on vitamin C too, so perhaps he doesn't prescribe to the vitamin C/exercise theory? I think at one time he was taking 4 grams daily, although now I think he's down to 1.5 grams.

Although if vitamin C does negatively affect the benefits of exercise, then all antioxidants may be in play. Green tea, CoQ10, all forms of vitamin E, etc. Even the antioxidants in your multi would have a negative effect.

Unless it's somehow just ascorbic acid (or E) that causes a problem?

Or perhaps the study was flawed? There are contradictory studies, afterall...

Or maybe it only matters if antioxidants are taken within close proximity to muscle injuries?


People do bring up that the studies are flawed, which might be the case with Vitamin E since a lot of the failed studies seem to only use a mega dose of alpha tocopherol, and Vitamin E proponents argue that you need to take all 8 forms of E to have the full benefits. As for C they all seem to use the preferred form (ascorbic acid), and those who do argue about flaws usually state that the dosage was too low. I'm not sure about green tea and exercise, though green tea is high in flavonoids which interact with the body differently than C and E.

Edited by Dmitri, 12 May 2009 - 05:15 AM.


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Posted 13 May 2009 - 02:54 AM

What supps are you taking weekly, monthly etc, but not daily? For me that would be Himalaya Live Care.

I only take melatonin when I have trouble sleeping for a few days in a row, which is not very often.




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