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#1 everythingeverything

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 03:21 AM



I'm suffering from peyronie's disease, which as you probably know is a very unfortunate condition relating to inflammation and eventual fibrosis of the penis. It is thought to be caused by initial injury which cascades and doesn't heal as it typically would. The inflammatory period typically lasts for between 6 and 18 months and the condition usually eventually stabalises, with the result being that the penis is less elastic and may be shorter or oddly shaped (due to the scarring). As I'm sure you can understand this is a very troubling condition and as such I am trying my best to stay positive and reduce the severity of the condition.

Therefore, I will be embarking on a comprehensive regimen of anti inflammatory and anti fibrotic supplements. Any suggestions you have are more than welcome.

At this time I intend to take (or am already taking):

Pentoxifylline
Carnosine
Benfotiamine
Pyridoxamine
Resveratrol
Pycnogenol
ALCAR
Astral Fruit
Vitamin E
Tongkat Ali (to boost testosterone, which may aid the peyronies healing process)

Does this sound about right to you guys? Any other suggestions?  One concern I have is that these treatments will not adequately reach the area in question. I suppose I could go down the DMSO route, but then I'd possibly need to know the molecular weight of all of these items and it would be uncharted territory to some extent. I'm open to all ideas though.

Edited by newguy, 16 June 2009 - 03:22 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 03:59 AM

My first thoughts are serratopeptase, nattokinase, bromelain or something along those lines. These might eat away at the fibrosis? But you're probably better off with something topical. So I dunno. Hey, apply papaya at the site every day, the papain should get to work. Perhaps you can buy papain at the supermarket. It's a common ingredient in meat tenderizers. Actually, the whole point of tenderizers is to break away all the fibrous and connective tissue in the meat. Caution should be warranted though.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 04:11 AM

Caution should be warranted though.

I'll say...

The other thing I wanted to mention is that the penis is well-perfused, so you should have no problem dosing it orally. What's your rationale behind the various supplements? Is glycation an issue? It seems like you have a lot of anti-glycation supps. To the extent that inflammation is involved, you might want to cover more of those bases. Boswellia?

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 04:17 AM

Prescription PABA treats that. Potaba is the form, potassium paba.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 04:25 AM

The following table came from http://www.nature.co...ncpuro0409.html
It's a pretty decent article. Sorry about the formatting.

Agent: Administration
Dimethyl sulfoxide: Topical
beta-Aminopropionitrile: Topical
Verapamil: Topical
Radium: Extragenital
Extracorporeal shock-wave lithotripsy: Extragenital
Ultrasound: Extragenital
Procarbazine: Oral
Vitamin E: Oral
Potassium para-aminobenzoate: Oral
Colchicine: Oral
Tamoxifen: Oral
Pentoxifylline: Oral
Steroids: Intralesional injection
Collagenase: Intralesional injection
Verapamil: Intralesional injection
Interferon-alpha2b: Intralesional injection

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 04:38 AM

Caution should be warranted though.

I'll say...

The other thing I wanted to mention is that the penis is well-perfused, so you should have no problem dosing it orally. What's your rationale behind the various supplements? Is glycation an issue? It seems like you have a lot of anti-glycation supps. To the extent that inflammation is involved, you might want to cover more of those bases. Boswellia?


The logic behind the anti-glycation supps is to reduce possible inflammatory factors which may make the existing inflammation even worse. The aim is to reduce whatever damaging processes are already underway. Damage limitation. In future I would think that AGE BREAKERS would be useful to deal with existing damage, but alagebrium alone would possibly be of limited use. The most useful oral treatment for peyronies is perhaps pentoxifylline, which has been observed to reduce both inflammation and fibrosis. In realistic terms though, it's not powerful enough a treatment to solve this problem in the vast majoroty of sufferers.

Transforming growth factor beta (TGF-beta) has been implicated in many chronic fibrotic conditions such as pulmonary and hepatic fibrosis. Inhibition of TGF-beta activity can prevent the development of chronic hepatitis and mesangial proliferative glomerulonephritis. We postulated that TGF-beta might play a role in the pathogenesis of Peyronie's disease (a localized connective tissue disorder that primarily affects the tunica albuginea and adjacent erectile tissue of the penis). Tissue from the tunica albuginea of thirty-five Peyronie's patients (study group) and from eight patients without Peyronie's disease who had undergone penile prosthesis surgery for organic impotence (control group) were subjected to histological study using Hart and Trichrome stains and Western blotting for the detection of TGF-beta protein expression. TGF-beta1 protein expression was detected in 30 patients (85.7%), while only 8 (22.8%) and 6 (17.1%) patients showed TGF-beta2 and TGF-beta3 protein expression, respectively. All tissue from Peyronie's patients showed a variety of histological changes of the tunica, ranging from chronic inflammatory cellular infiltration to complete calcification and ossification of the tissues. The most prominent changes observed were focal or diffused ellastosis, fenestration, and disorganization of the collagen bundles. One patient in the control group showed fibrosis of the tunica albuginea and protein expression of TGF-beta1 and TGF-beta2. This patient had undergone surgery for the revision of his prosthesis twice. However, the other seven patients showed normal histologic patterns of the tunica albuginea and no protein expression for TGF-beta1, TGF-beta2, or TGF-beta3. In conclusion, TGF-beta1 protein expression is significantly associated with Peyronie's disease and may be a direct cause for its development. This finding may be of help in the prevention and treatment of this disease.


The above study provides good reasoning for taking anti-glycation supps in my view. The inflammation can last for several months, it might follow that attempting to limit these inflammatory processes is useful. Conversely it may be the case that the majority of the damage is already done in which case the strategy could be limited in how effective it may be. Still, in any long term condition, it pays to attempt to influence its development. A minority of people with peyronies do recover compleyely from it even after curvature has been present. Therefore, until the condition has completely stabalised there is a window of opportunity to try to do SOMETHING to reverse of limit damage.


4eva - Potaba is indeed prescribed for peyronie's, but its results. The traditional treatment was and still sometimes is potaba and vitamin E, but this is very often not effective.

niner - thanks for the comprehensive list. I'm familiar with many of them. I may explore shockwave therapy. The one problem with the injection based treatments is that peyronies is often caused by an exaggerated response to trauma. While these injections do help a minority of patients, many don't experience any improvement, and more worryingly some develop further inflammation, scarring and nodules at the injection site.

Thanks all for your suggestions so far.

Edited by newguy, 16 June 2009 - 04:54 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 05:16 AM

Caution should be warranted though.

I'll say...

The other thing I wanted to mention is that the penis is well-perfused, so you should have no problem dosing it orally. What's your rationale behind the various supplements? Is glycation an issue? It seems like you have a lot of anti-glycation supps. To the extent that inflammation is involved, you might want to cover more of those bases. Boswellia?

The logic behind the anti-glycation supps is to reduce possible inflammatory factors which may make the existing inflammation even worse. The aim is to reduce whatever damaging processes are already underway. Damage limitation. In future I would think that AGE BREAKERS would be useful to deal with existing damage, but alagebrium alone would possibly be of limited use. The most useful oral treatment for peyronies is perhaps pentoxifylline, which has been observed to reduce both inflammation and fibrosis. In realistic terms though, it's not powerful enough a treatment to solve this problem in the vast majoroty of sufferers.
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The above study provides good reasoning for taking anti-glycation supps in my view.

Antiglycation supplements are a good idea in general, but I don't see them as anti-inflammatories. If TGF-beta1 expression is the problem, then you would want a compound that either stopped the gene from expressing or interfered with or mopped up the protein after it was expressed. (such as an inhibitor or an anti TGF-beta1 Mab) There's also the possibility that TGF is only a marker of the disease and not causative. I guess you've looked pretty closely at pentoxyfylline already, so I'm willing to discount the case report that I ran across. If it was in my finger and I was inclined to be proactive, I'd probably shoot in some depot Medrol or similar steroidal preparation. Given the possibility of making things worse though, I can see where you'd hesitate on that.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 06:13 AM

niner - Many aspects of the disease are not well understood, hence why treatment is difficult. Many urologists are even behind some of the more recent developments and just offer Vitamin E. I am currently taking pentoxyfylline, yes. There are few studies specifically involving peyronies but the science behind its use is sound. The leading urologist in the area has stated that he has been plaque retreat somewhat in many cases when pentox was administered over a course of months. Many members of the peyronies forum I'm a member of use it, but some still go on to have worsening curvature.

Many of the supplemments I listed disassemble AGEs (ALCAR, Benfotiamine, Pyridoxamine, Carsonine etc) as there appears to be a peyronies connection there. Many of the items listed do in fact partially inhibit TGF-B1, though I suspect do very little for existing TGF-B1. Thanks for the interesting idea relating to working on existing TGF-B1 at the site of the problem. Do you know of any oral treatments that may break down existing TGF-B1?

You're right that this isn't the only aspect to the disease. Excessive collagen buildup occurs at the site of the injury (maybe green tea will help with this) too. Here's a quick overview of the damaging peyronie's cascade:

PD is characterized by fibrosis of the tunica albuginea secondary to aberrant wound healing. Typically, no predisposing trauma is recollected by the patient. However, biochemical examination of acutely diseased tunical tissue shows a typical cascade of wound-healing pathways leading to eventual fibrosis. This process can be subdivided into the acute proliferative phase and subsequent remodeling phase characterized by maturation of fibrosis and scar formation. The cascade begins with exposure of platelets to collagen, thus activating the coagulation cascade and leading to the release of potent chemoattractant molecules, such as transforming growth factor beta (TGF-beta), platelet-derived growth factor (PDGF), tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-alpha), and interleukin-1 (IL-1). Fibrin is deposited to act as a matrix for subsequent repair. Inflammatory cells, beginning with neutrophils and followed by macrophages, infiltrate the area. These cells not only perpetuate the inflammatory signaling cascade but also stimulate the release of growth factors, such as vascular endothelial growth factor (VEGF). The proliferative phase involves the influx of fibroblasts and deposition of collagen types I and III. The remodeling phase involves the tightly regulated interaction of profibrotic and antifibrotic substances, such as matrix metalloproteinases (MMPs) and tissue inhibitors of metalloproteinases (TIMPs), that are responsible for final scar formation.

Recent research into the etiology of PD implies an imbalance between profibrotic and antifibrotic substances. Overexpression of TGF-beta1 has been shown to induce penile plaques in the rat model.[9] TGF-beta1 has also been shown to be overexpressed in PD plaques as compared with patients without evidence of PD.[10] Another group of profibrotic proteins includes fibrin and plasminogen activator inhibitor-1 (PAI-1). Like TGF-beta1, fibrin has been shown to induce plaque formation in an animal model; levels of PAI-1 are elevated in these plaques.[11] Plasmin serves to degrade fibrin as well as to activate other antifibrotic proteins, including MMPs. Several types of MMP, a class of molecules primarily responsible for collagen degradation, have been identified and have been shown to have different specificities. For example, MMP-1 and -13 are mostly involved in the degradation of collagen type I, whereas MMP-3 and -10 are more specific for collagen type III. TIMPs act as profibrotic molecules by inhibiting the activity of MMPs and decreasing collagen degradation. TIMPs are upregulated after stimulation with TGF-beta1. Several TIMPs with varying degrees of activity (TIMPs 1-4) have been identified.[12]

Recent research implicates these molecules involved in the regulation of fibrosis as being key components in the pathogenesis of PD. It has been demonstrated that targeted inhibitors of TGF-beta1 in a rat model can improve curvature and fibrosis.[13] Likewise, future therapies may be directed toward increasing tissue expression of MMPs or inhibition of TIMP activity. This area of research is evolving rapidly as the molecular mechanisms underlying PD are further elucidated.



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Posted 16 June 2009 - 07:38 AM

Halofuginone looks potentially promising too..

Chronic pancreatitis is characterized by inflammation and fibrosis. We evaluated the efficacy of halofuginone, an inhibitor of collagen synthesis and myofibroblast activation, in preventing cerulein-induced pancreas fibrosis. METHODS: Collagen synthesis was evaluated by in situ hybridization and staining. Levels of prolyl 4-hydroxylase beta (P4Hbeta), cytoglobin/stellate cell activation-associated protein (Cygb/STAP), transgelin, tissue inhibitors of metalloproteinases, serum response factor, transforming growth factor beta (TGFbeta), Smad3, and pancreatitis-associated protein 1 (PAP-1) were determined by immunohistochemistry. Metalloproteinase activity was evaluated by zymography. RESULTS: Halofuginone prevented cerulein-dependent increase in collagen synthesis, collagen cross-linking enzyme P4Hbeta, Cygb/STAP, and tissue inhibitors of metalloproteinase 2. Halofuginone did not affect TGFbeta levels in cerulein-treated mice but inhibited serum response factor synthesis and Smad3 phosphorylation. In culture, halofuginone inhibited pancreatic stellate cell (PSC) proliferation and TGFbeta-dependent increase in Cygb/STAP and transgelin synthesis and metalloproteinase 2 activity. Halofuginone increased c-Jun N-terminal kinase phosphorylation in PSCs derived from cerulein-treated mice. Halofuginone prevented the increase in acinar cell proliferation and further increased the cerulein-dependent PAP-1 synthesis. CONCLUSIONS: Halofuginone inhibits Smad3 phosphorylation and increases c-Jun N-terminal kinase phosphorylation, leading to the inhibition of PSC activation and consequent prevention of fibrosis. Halofuginone increased the synthesis of PAP-1, which further reduces pancreas fibrosis. Thus, halofuginone might serve as a novel therapy for pancreas fibrosis.



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Posted 16 June 2009 - 12:16 PM

I'm suffering from peyronie's disease, ...


I was under the impression that PDE-5 inhibitors (sildenafil, vardenafil, tadalafil) were very effective at treating Peyronie's. I have seen it mentioned a lot in the literature. I am surprised they have not been mentioned. Have you looked into this?

Edited by seekonk, 16 June 2009 - 12:16 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 12:25 PM

I sometimes use a topical PDE-5 inhibitor called Andro cream which contains Butea superba extract. I don't see how a PDE-5 inhibitor would be effective for Peyronie's but it's an interesting idea and I like to see some theory or studies.

Edited by caston, 16 June 2009 - 12:25 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 01:42 PM

I sometimes use a topical PDE-5 inhibitor called Andro cream which contains Butea superba extract. I don't see how a PDE-5 inhibitor would be effective for Peyronie's but it's an interesting idea and I like to see some theory or studies.


I was under the impression that there were human studies, but I cannot find any. Here is a rodent model:

Titre du document / Document title
L-Arginine and phosphodiesterase (PDE) inhibitors counteract fibrosis in the Peyronie's fibrotic plaque and related fibroblast cultures
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
VALENTE Eliane G. A. ; VERNET Dolores ; FERRINI Monica G. ; ANSHA QIAN ; RAJFER Jacob ; GONZALEZ-CADAVID Nestor F. ;
Résumé / Abstract
Inducible nitric oxide synthase (iNOS) is expressed in both the fibrotic plaque of Peyronie's disease (PD) in the human, and in the PD-like plaque elicited by injection of TGFβ1 into the penile tunica albuginea (TA) of the rat. Long-term inhibition of iNOS activity, presumably by blocking nitric oxide (NO)- and cGMP-mediated effects triggered by iNOS expression, exacerbates tissue fibrosis through an increase in: (a) collagen synthesis, (b) levels of reactive oxygen species (ROS), and © the differentiation of fibroblasts into myofibroblasts. We have now investigated whether: (a) phosphodiesterase (PDE) isoforms, that regulate the interplay of cGMP and cAMP pathways, are expressed in both the human and rat TA; and (b) L-arginine, that stimulates NOS activity and hence NO synthesis, and PDE inhibitors, that increase the levels of cGMP and/or cAMP, can inhibit collagen synthesis and induce fibroblast/myofibroblast apoptosis, thus acting as antifibrotic agents. We have found by immunohistochemistry, RT/ PCR, and Western blot that PDE5A-3 and PDE4A, B, and D variants are indeed expressed in human and rat normal TA and PD plaque tissue, as well as in their respective fibroblast cultures. As expected, in the PD fibroblast cultures, pentoxifylline (non-specific cAMP-PDE inhibitor) increased cAMP levels without affecting cGMP levels, whereas sildenafil (PDE5A inhibitor) raised cGMP levels. Both agents and L-arginine reduced the expression of collagen I (but not collagen III) and the myofibroblast marker, α-smooth muscle actin, as determined by immunocytochemistry and quantitative image analysis. These effects were mimicked by incubation with 8-Br-cGMP, which in addition increased apoptosis, as measured by TUNEL. When L-arginine (2.25g/kg/day), pentoxifylline (10mg/kg/day), or sildenafil (10mg/kg/day) was given individually in the drinking water for 45 days to rats with a PD-like plaque induced by TGF β1, each treatment resulted in a 80-95% reduction in both plaque size and in the collagen/fibroblast ratio, as determined by Masson trichrome staining. Both sildenafil and pentoxiphylline stimulated fibroblast apoptosis within the TA. Our results support the hypothesis that the increase in NO and/or cGMP/cAMP levels by long-term administration of nitrergic agents or inhibitors of PDE, may be effective in reversing the fibrosis of PD, and more speculatively, other fibrotic conditions.
Revue / Journal Title
Nitric oxide ISSN 1089-8603 CODEN NIOXF5
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2003, vol. 9, no4, pp. 229-244 [16 page(s) (article)]
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Anglais

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Elsevier, San Diego, CA, ETATS-UNIS (1997) (Revue)

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INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 2015 B, 35400011669950.0060


Also this:

Long-term treatment with Varndenafil reduces the development of the fibrotic plaque in a rat model of Peyronie's disease

Authors: Monica Ferrini, PhD, Istvan Kovanecz, PhD, Gaby Nolazco, MSc, Jacob Rajfer, MD and Nestor Gonzalez-Cadavid, PhD; University of California at Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA.

Ferrini from UCLA, presented further modifications to the work that she has done centered around the use of PDE-5 inhibitors [sildenafil (Viagra), vardenafil (Levitra), and tadalafil (Cialis)] and the reduction of Peyronie's plaque development. This group administered vardenafil (Levitra) to rats with a PD-like plaque. They found that long-term administration of vardenafil slowed down and reversed the early stages of PD-like plaque development. This preliminary data are intriguing and will require confirmation with a large human study to answer this question.



This could be interesting if someone has access to the whole paper:

Int J Impot Res. 2005 Nov-Dec;17(6):546. <span class="linkbar">Corbin J. Molecular Physiology and Biophysics, Vanderbilt University, Nashville, Tennessee 37232-0615, USA. jackie.corbin@vanderbilt.edu

Can PDE5 inhibitors inhibit fibrosis? Is this a direct effect of PDE5 inhibitors on the fibrotic cascade? If this hypothesis is found true, then an entire new algorithm for treatment of ED and other diseases may be realized. Three recent manuscripts this year discuss this question. Dr Jackie Corbin, a renowned PDE5 expert, offers a perspective in light of its potential clinical relevance.


Edited by seekonk, 16 June 2009 - 02:00 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 04:50 PM

Looks like Lufega was on the right track.

Serrapeptase and nattokinase are the main components
of this formula.

http://www.fibromedica.com/peyronie-s


Here is a similar product, cheaper.

http://www.biomedicl...c/sdetail/22463


Seems to be promising for uterine fibroids. One poster
reported her father improving his BP and lipid profile on it.

http://uterinefibroi.../thread/1146301


I've been taking 4 serrapeptase tabs by the original Japanese
developer, Takeda (Danzen, 5 mg), these few days in an attempt
to heal this stye on my right lower eyelid. Costs M$3.50 a strip
of 10 tabs here.

http://www.mims.com....NAME=Danzen tab

https://www.pharmaof...x.php?cPath=114


I was taking this Thai generic a few years ago at 10 cents a tab.

http://www.mims.com/...rratiopeptidase

http://www.unisonlab...amp;word=Unizen


Local Malaysian generic.

http://www.primephar...ls.aspx?id=1002


Another Thai generic.

http://www.mims.com/...rratiopeptidase

http://macrophar.com...ail.asp?s_id=73

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 05:39 PM

What about DHEA? If your testosterone is already in a good range but DHEA low in the blood, 7-keto DHEA might be a good choice since it is not supposed to raise testosterone levels.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 07:19 PM

I'm suffering from peyronie's disease, ...


I was under the impression that PDE-5 inhibitors (sildenafil, vardenafil, tadalafil) were very effective at treating Peyronie's. I have seen it mentioned a lot in the literature. I am surprised they have not been mentioned. Have you looked into this?



I should've added this to the list, as I currently do take it. ED is often present or more pronounced where peyronie's disease is current. Use or sildenafil does help achieve full erections though. Pentoxifylline is often used alongside l-arginine and Viagra in what is refered to as the PAV cocktail, though in many individuals the already existing inflammatory response and resulting fibrosis is still quite pronounced. The results have proved to be more dramatic in rats than people.

As peyronies typically is a drawn out process, sometimes traction (via fastzise type devices) can benefit, though they have to be used with caution. In bad cases of peyronies penile implants or surgery is the only option. I am hoping to be able to help myself sufficiently to avoid hese latter eventualities.


caston - Andro cream sounds like an interesting apparoach, though vaigra seems to suffice and works well for me. I am interested in using topical treatments which are able to reduce inflammation/fibrosis though. Topical ibuprofen helps a little.

tham - Neprinol has been used for peyronies before, though for whatever reason has not really demonstrated that it is as or more effective than current treatments. It is sometimes marketed as a peyronies treatment. In early stages of the disease maybe it has a use. I may add this to my regimen. I wonder if there is potential for a topical version?

Thanks everyone for your replies and comments.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 07:56 PM

I'm suffering from peyronie's disease, ...


I was under the impression that PDE-5 inhibitors (sildenafil, vardenafil, tadalafil) were very effective at treating Peyronie's. I have seen it mentioned a lot in the literature. I am surprised they have not been mentioned. Have you looked into this?


I should've added this to the list, as I currently do take it.


At the very least, with daily use it should help with delivery of the other medications, due to enhanced nocturnal erections. In the case of sildenalfil or vardenafil, the best time of dosing for this effect would be in the evenings. With tadalafil, time of dosing should not matter much.

Edited by seekonk, 16 June 2009 - 07:59 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2009 - 08:12 PM

seekonk - I totally agree. Many of those with peyronie's experience ED or lack of nocturnal erectiosn. This is thought to contribute to the severity of their fibrosis. It's a complex disease though and in many individuals even regular erections doesn't change their fate. Still, there is certainly logic to achieve erections day and night, with a "use it or lose it" approach and to get blood containing oxygen and medications, and potentially stretching or inhibiting developing fibrosis.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 02:12 AM

how bad is your curvature.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 02:18 AM

mike: maybe he should show you :|w

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 02:50 AM

I had a 90-degree curvature which was partially corrected by a medical VED but eventually had surgery.

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 04:02 AM

sounds nasty

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Posted 18 June 2009 - 04:08 AM

I had a 90-degree curvature which was partially corrected by a medical VED but eventually had surgery.



Thanks for taking the time to reply Mike. Currently around 30 degrees, but pain is still present at this time which likely means that the situation could worsen for me. Aside from the oral treatments, I do intend to use the VED. Hopefully it will make a meaningful difference.

For those interested or thinking that this is very rare, it is likely that 5-10% of people will suffer from peyrinies disease at some point in their life. It's underreported due to being an embarrassing illness, and research is underfunded because it's not life threatening. Still, I'm sure if you can put yourself in another persons shoes for a moment you will realise what a profound impact such a condition can have on a persons life.

How much improvement did you notice from VED use, and over what period of time? Did you follow a set program?

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Posted 01 May 2010 - 08:07 PM

Topical verapamil HCl, topical trifluoperazine, and topical magnesium sulfate for the treatment of Peyronie's disease--a placebo-controlled pilot study.

Fitch WP 3rd, Easterling WJ, Talbert RL, Bordovsky MJ, Mosier M.

Urology Consultants, P.A., San Antonio, TX, USA. janice@urologyconsults.com

Comment in:

* J Sex Med. 2007 Jul;4(4 Pt 1):1081-2.

Abstract

INTRODUCTION: Transdermal and intralesional verapamil has been reported to be useful in the treatment of Peyronie's Disease. This study evaluates a topically applied calcium channel blocker (verapamil hydrochloride 15% gel), a topically applied calmodulin blocker (trifluoperazine), and a topically applied weak calcium channel blocker (magnesium sulfate), each incorporated in a transdermal vehicle. AIM: This pilot study was conducted to assess the efficacy of a 15% verapamil gel applied topically to the penile shaft twice daily for the treatment of Peyronie's Disease. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: To assess improvement in curvature, plaque size, resolution of painful erections, and improvement in erection quality. METHODS: Two simultaneous, three armed, double blinded, placebo-controlled studies were conducted. After randomization into one of four groups, patients were treated for 3 months. At the end of 3 months' treatment using blinded drug, each patient was treated with open label topical verapamil for 6 months. The studies were completed after each patient had been treated and evaluated for 9 months after randomization. RESULTS: Fifty-seven patients were randomized. In total, 94.4% of patients treated for 9 months with topical verapamil experienced improvement in curvature with an average percent curvature change of 61.1% compared with 43.6% curvature improvement at 3 months. At 9 months the average percent plaque change was 84.7% compared with 55% at 3 months. Pain resolution at 9 months was 100% compared with 87.5% at 3 months. Patient perception of erection quality also increased at 9 months to 81.8% compared with 72.7% at 3 months. CONCLUSIONS: Topical verapamil gel proved effective in eliminating pain on erection, decreasing the size of plaque, decreasing curvature, and improving erection quality in patients with Peyronie's Disease. Treatment results improved significantly after 9 months' treatment as compared with 3 months' treatment.


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Posted 02 May 2010 - 09:05 AM

Your penis has the Gotu kola herb written all over it. Here are different info for your condition:

Peyronie's Disease (also known as "Induratio penis plastica"[1]) and more recently (CITA) Chronic Inflammation of Tunica Albuginea, is a connective tissue disorder involving the growth of fibrous plaques[2]

Use of Gotu kola (Centella asiatica) helps develop normal connective tissue and helps patients with Peyronies Disease. The use of gotu kola should be continued for at least six weeks and may be in conjunction with other treatments.

Use of Gotu Kola may be beneficial in conditions involving varicose veins and venous insufficiency (a hardening of the veins and loss of circulation to the extremities). Research has found Gotu Kola to be effective through its effect on connective tissue, which is an important structural component of veins. The active ingredients of Gotu Kola are Asiatiocosides and Triterpenes. Triterpines are steroid-like compounds, which have a balancing effect on connective tissues. These triterpenes are thought to improve the function and integrity of the collagen matrix and support the "ground substance," the basic "glue" that holds the cells of our bodies together. It has been used to prevent the development of keloid (bulging, enlarged) scars following surgery, as well as to soften existing keloids. Gotu Kola has also been tried as a treatment for improving burn and wound healing and to alleviate the symptoms of the connective tissue disease, scleroderma.

Keloids are the result of an overgrowth of dense fibrous tissue that usually develops after healing of a skin injury.

I was in shock when I came on the wikipedia Peyronie's Disease page because there is a penis picture which looks like my own penis. But I have never had any problem with my penis so I must have had Peyronie's Disease at young age because it has always had the same shape and I'm 34.

Edited by outsider, 02 May 2010 - 09:32 AM.


#25 greensweater

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Posted 09 August 2010 - 08:54 AM

Going to the doctor to see if this is what I have, I may have injured myself about 2 1/2 weeks ago while having sex, I don't know. Now I have a small rice grain sized hard lump on the dorsal side of my shaft. No pain, no curvature.

Just discovered it about 2 days ago. Anyone else have any advice?

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 06:26 AM

Got great news, its not peyronnie's, it turned out to be a thrombosis.

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 09:27 AM

No more flying F*#@s for you then :)
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#28 everythingeverything

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 11:37 AM

Got great news, its not peyronnie's, it turned out to be a thrombosis.



Hi Grant. That's great news and I'm happy for you. However, in situations where sexual injury has occurs, it is of course very important to keep a close eye on any changes. It's positive that you're not in pain, so hopefully you've had a near miss rather than anything too worrying.

If you experience any changes in curvature or experience pain in future weeks/months, I would advise you to get a prescription for pentoxifylline, as it's best/only recognised effective oral treatment for pentoxifylline. It's not a miracle cure, but with such a lack of options it is useful for some men.Also, mechanical treatments such as Vacuum devices and/or traction. Lots of info and developments at peyronie's disease blog. The regenerative medicine angle looks promising for future years.

The difficulty with peyronie's disease is that its difficult to stop the inflammatory process. It's not a well understood condition and one of the main theories is that due to the structure of the penis it's possible for areas of "trapped inflammation" to form as a result of an injury or minor injuries over time. As a result scar tissue can form over weeks, months or even years (less common), with flare ups and so on. Many supplements and drugs have been tried to combat it, but without great success.

Edited by newguy, 15 August 2010 - 11:47 AM.


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Posted 15 August 2010 - 09:15 PM

Thanks for the concern, Newguy. Over how long a period of time was your "acute" phase?

Have you started pentox yet?

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Posted 15 August 2010 - 09:29 PM

are you following the medical VED protocol newguy




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