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#1 TheFountain

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Posted 25 August 2009 - 12:21 PM


Hi, I have been extremely dehydrated as of late and urinating several times daily. My diet is good although I recently reintroduced some carbs and dairy for temporary weight gain. I did some research and found that a couple of the supplements I am taking have diuretic effects, such as the ingredients in the multi-vitamin I started taking a month ago. I am going to replace it with something that lacks these ingredients. I also note that studies have shown diuretic effects in saw palmetto, which I take regularly. What I would like to know is whether any of the other supplements I am unaware of have diuretic effects. Here is what I am currently taking regularly.

Multi vitamin (potential Diuretics in this include Rutin, Inositol and hesperidin)
ALCAR
ALA
Benfotiamine
Taurine
Biosil
Lutein
Saw Palmetto
Cayenne pepper extract
Vitamin K2
Vitamin D3
Calcium
Hyaluranic acid
Vitamin E
Vitamin c with rose hips
Glucosamine sulfate
L-proline
L-lysine
Green tea extract
Resveratrol
Astragalus root
Ginko Biloba
Huperzine-A
Zinc Picolinate
Valerian root
Rhodiola
Gotu Kola
Omega 3 oil
Calendula

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 06:59 AM

Taurine, if from energy drinks.

I definitely need more water when taking Cayenne.

What is lysine and saw palmetto for?

What is Lutein for? I saw a lady at Walmart by 20 bottles of Lutein.

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 03:01 PM

Taurine, if from energy drinks.

I definitely need more water when taking Cayenne.

What is lysine and saw palmetto for?

What is Lutein for? I saw a lady at Walmart by 20 bottles of Lutein.


I take supplemental Taurine at 500 mgs. Energy drinks are like piss to begin with, so it would be no surprise that the piss comes out fast.

Saw Palmetto is for long term prostate health via blocking DHT theoretically. But it has diuretic properties which is why I may cut my dose down to once a day rather than twice.

Lutein is for Ocular and skin health. But I think it takes a few months to work effectively.

L-lysine, like L-Proline is for tissue sustainence. When taken with vitamin c they form Hydroxyproline and hydroxylysine, the collagen form of both amino acids which may lead to tissue formation.

Edited by TheFountain, 26 August 2009 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 26 August 2009 - 05:03 PM

Taurine, if from energy drinks.

Why is that? Can you give some references? (I am genuinely interested) If anything, I'd guess other components of energy drinks might be weak diuretics.

You need to tell us the doses you are taking. Dosing can decide whether you are promoting health or killing yourself.

What are all those, I assume, herbs for? If you go that crazy on herbs, there surely might be lots of interactions.
Astragalus root, Ginko Biloba, Valerian root, Rhodiola, Gotu Kola, Calendula

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 05:28 PM

Taurine, if from energy drinks.

Why is that? Can you give some references? (I am genuinely interested) If anything, I'd guess other components of energy drinks might be weak diuretics.

You need to tell us the doses you are taking. Dosing can decide whether you are promoting health or killing yourself.

What are all those, I assume, herbs for? If you go that crazy on herbs, there surely might be lots of interactions.
Astragalus root, Ginko Biloba, Valerian root, Rhodiola, Gotu Kola, Calendula


Generally I am not Mega dosing on any of these, so your standard dose of, say, saw palmetto is 150 mgs. Vitamin D3 is 3000 IUs daily, benfotiamine 150 mgs etc

Valerian root is for stress aid, again not megadosing. Gotu Kola is for depression relief, Ginko cognitive enhancement, Rhodiolia for anxiety, astragalus root for telomere lengthening and Calendula officinalis to promote skin moisture. Generally I am taking most oft he mood enhancers at or around the same time but cognitive enhancers I take at least an hour to two hours later.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 11:58 AM

Something I am taking has to have Diuretic effects because I am pissing like 15 times a day and I am not diabetic as I was tested 2 months ago and all came back negative. This all began around the same time I started taking the forementioned multi-vitamin as well as the dietary change to more carbs again.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 01:15 PM

Something I am taking has to have Diuretic effects because I am pissing like 15 times a day and I am not diabetic as I was tested 2 months ago and all came back negative. This all began around the same time I started taking the forementioned multi-vitamin as well as the dietary change to more carbs again.


Alright, according to wikipedia, Polyuria can be caused by:

  • high doses of riboflavin (vitamin B2)
  • high doses of vitamin C


A search of pubmed using the terms riboflavin + polyuria only turned up one citation of polyuria in reference to high riboflavin intake:

A deficit of mitochondrial energy metabolism may play a role in migraine pathogenesis. We found in a previous open study that high-dose riboflavin was effective in migraine prophylaxis. We now compared riboflavin (400 mg) and placebo in 55 patients with migraine in a randomized trial of 3 months duration. Using an intention-to-treat analysis, riboflavin was superior to placebo in reducing attack frequency (p = 0.005) and headache days (p = 0.012). Regarding the latter, the proportion of patients who improved by at least 50%, i.e. "responders," was 15% for placebo and 59% for riboflavin (p = 0.002) and the number-needed-to-treat for effectiveness was 2.3. Three minor adverse events occurred, two in the riboflavin group (diarrhea and polyuria) and one in the placebo group (abdominal cramps). None was serious. Because of its high efficacy, excellent tolerability, and low cost, riboflavin is an interesting option for migraine prophylaxis and a candidate for a comparative trial with an established prophylactic drug.


Other standard dietary supplement references fail to mention the connexion between high riboflavin intake & polyuria.

Regarding excess ascorbic acid intake & polyuria I found the following:

Experiments on albino rats have shown that the antihyaluronidases (ascorbic acid and heparin) increase diuresis by reducing water reabsorption. The effect accords with the idea that enzymatic depolymerization of the hyaluronic complexes in the walls of the tubules is the cause of facultative reabsorption. Neutralized ascorbic acid markedly increases the excretion of sodium, but the mechanism is obscure.


It is unknown to me if or how this may be applicable to humans.

The Diabetes Digest lists both as causes of polyuria:

This refers to an increase in urination. On the average, a normal person produces a urine output of about 1.5 liters per day depending on water and food intake and perspiration. A consistent level of 2.5 liters per day is usually deemed excessive. Polyuria is often indicative of underlying pathological conditions that include diabetes, renal abnormalities, cystitis, autoimmune disorders, hyperthyroidism, hypopituitarism, and others; or of biochemical imbalances such as the intake of diuretic drugs, food, and drink or of excessive riboflavin and ascorbic acid.


So if you're convinced that "pissing 15 times a day" is related to a dietary supplement & not an underlying pathological condition & it occurred in conjunction with the addition of your multivitamin (btw, which multi?) you may want to review your total intake of riboflavin & vitamin C - including both your multi & dietary sources.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 01:54 PM

15 times a day is way out of line. Are you consuming caffeine or other xanthines? Drinking alcohol? Just drinking a lot of water? If you put it in, it will come out. Might you have a urinary tract infection? If this is still going on, you ought to see a doctor or urologist.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:08 PM

Something I am taking has to have Diuretic effects because I am pissing like 15 times a day and I am not diabetic as I was tested 2 months ago and all came back negative. This all began around the same time I started taking the forementioned multi-vitamin as well as the dietary change to more carbs again.


Alright, according to wikipedia, Polyuria can be caused by:

  • high doses of riboflavin (vitamin B2)
  • high doses of vitamin C


A search of pubmed using the terms riboflavin + polyuria only turned up one citation of polyuria in reference to high riboflavin intake:

A deficit of mitochondrial energy metabolism may play a role in migraine pathogenesis. We found in a previous open study that high-dose riboflavin was effective in migraine prophylaxis. We now compared riboflavin (400 mg) and placebo in 55 patients with migraine in a randomized trial of 3 months duration. Using an intention-to-treat analysis, riboflavin was superior to placebo in reducing attack frequency (p = 0.005) and headache days (p = 0.012). Regarding the latter, the proportion of patients who improved by at least 50%, i.e. "responders," was 15% for placebo and 59% for riboflavin (p = 0.002) and the number-needed-to-treat for effectiveness was 2.3. Three minor adverse events occurred, two in the riboflavin group (diarrhea and polyuria) and one in the placebo group (abdominal cramps). None was serious. Because of its high efficacy, excellent tolerability, and low cost, riboflavin is an interesting option for migraine prophylaxis and a candidate for a comparative trial with an established prophylactic drug.


Other standard dietary supplement references fail to mention the connexion between high riboflavin intake & polyuria.

Regarding excess ascorbic acid intake & polyuria I found the following:

Experiments on albino rats have shown that the antihyaluronidases (ascorbic acid and heparin) increase diuresis by reducing water reabsorption. The effect accords with the idea that enzymatic depolymerization of the hyaluronic complexes in the walls of the tubules is the cause of facultative reabsorption. Neutralized ascorbic acid markedly increases the excretion of sodium, but the mechanism is obscure.


It is unknown to me if or how this may be applicable to humans.

The Diabetes Digest lists both as causes of polyuria:

This refers to an increase in urination. On the average, a normal person produces a urine output of about 1.5 liters per day depending on water and food intake and perspiration. A consistent level of 2.5 liters per day is usually deemed excessive. Polyuria is often indicative of underlying pathological conditions that include diabetes, renal abnormalities, cystitis, autoimmune disorders, hyperthyroidism, hypopituitarism, and others; or of biochemical imbalances such as the intake of diuretic drugs, food, and drink or of excessive riboflavin and ascorbic acid.


So if you're convinced that "pissing 15 times a day" is related to a dietary supplement & not an underlying pathological condition & it occurred in conjunction with the addition of your multivitamin (btw, which multi?) you may want to review your total intake of riboflavin & vitamin C - including both your multi & dietary sources.


This is the multi-vitamin I began taking about 3 weeks ago, coincidentally I had started also using this weight gainer which at the time I blamed for my increased urinary output. The urinary output actually slowed down after ceasing to use the gainer for a few days then in the past 2 days I have started urinating again at this frequency level. At this moment I am blaming all sorts of things, including the increase in carb consumption and dairy (galactose).

I am definitely not mega-dosing on absorbic acid, the most I take at any time is 1000 mgs. The forementioned multi vitamin has some diuretics in it as I mentioned in the first post where I also mentioned which ingredients had potential diuretic effects. The riboflavin in it is 85 mgs which is stated as 5,000% RDA. I'm kind of inclined to believe dietary changes had a bit to do with it also. I mean I was doing the low carb thing for months then I hit my body with excess glucose stores and now this. My body is probably trying to adapt. But idk I am just guessing.

Edited by TheFountain, 27 August 2009 - 03:10 PM.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:12 PM

15 times a day is way out of line. Are you consuming caffeine or other xanthines? Drinking alcohol? Just drinking a lot of water? If you put it in, it will come out. Might you have a urinary tract infection? If this is still going on, you ought to see a doctor or urologist.


I don't have any other symptoms associated with either UTI or Enlarged prostate. The only liquid I consume is water at about 2 and a half to 3 pints daily.

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 03:51 PM

Oh my urine tends to be light, multi-vitamin colored for about 5-8 hours after taking it which to me alludes to it being a time released formula. Or maybe I am just imagining it stays that bright that long.

Edited by TheFountain, 27 August 2009 - 03:52 PM.


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Posted 27 August 2009 - 04:28 PM

coincidentally I had started also using this weight gainer which at the time I blamed for my increased urinary output. Th


Holy protein! Were you using it as described? What additional sources of protein did you include in your diet? Excess protein isn't stored by the body, so it's broken down into its component amino acids but when they're processed by the liver into something useful ammonia is the byproduct, which the liver then needs to process again where its converted into urea which is then excreted by the kidneys. Urea can (& does) function as an osmotic diuretic - it's freely filterable but not reabsorbed & prevents water reabsorption - ergo you piss your brains out.

Truthfully, I'm just guessing as to the possible cause given limited data, I'm no doctor & even a doctor couldn't diagnose you over the internet (yet). I'm siding with niner on this one - if this has been going on for several days with no resolution you should go see your PCP so he can physically assess you & order any pertinent diagnostics to definitively diagnose the problem.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 06:00 AM

I am going to make some dietary/supplement changes once more and if I do not see a change within the next week I will see a doctor. But first I have to try and experiment with what I can do.

Edited by TheFountain, 28 August 2009 - 06:01 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2009 - 06:34 AM

Wow that is some outrageous weight gainer. 5000 calories. I gain weight eating 4000 calories a day. I should get me some of that weight gainer.

Kismet, I can't give you any references. I believe taurine has no diuretic effects, but it's the caffeine in the energy drinks that will dehydrate a person.

Something in your regimen is definitely making you piss. 15 times a day and you only drink three pints of water? Might be the astragalus root, I found this which says it's a mild diuretic. http://vitamins.ulti...astragalus.html

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 07:12 AM

About the question regarding the weight gainer from earlier. I was not taking it as suggested. I did not place it in milk I basically took one full scoop 2-3 times daily in water which came to about 2000 calories.

But I stopped taking it about 2 weeks ago as it was just wreaking too much havoc. I wonder if there is anything in that weight gainer that might have affected my bladder for such a prolonged period.

Edited by TheFountain, 28 August 2009 - 07:13 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2009 - 07:14 AM

Wow that is some outrageous weight gainer. 5000 calories. I gain weight eating 4000 calories a day. I should get me some of that weight gainer.


I suggest staying away from that poison. It is full of Glucose polymers which will only cause a huge insulin spike. I reckon the carbs in it are also high GI. Pure shit. The person who made this should be fined for it.

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Posted 28 August 2009 - 08:51 PM

And the good news is I only pissed 9 times today. Down from 15 so tomorrow I am shooting for 8.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 06:53 AM

And by 'today' I meant within a 20 hour period.

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Posted 29 August 2009 - 07:05 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I had been eating rice and oatmeal every day for about a week straight. Both of these food items retain water when cooked and probably through digestion lead to slow release. Yesterday I drank 2 liters of water on top of it.




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