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#1 thatperson

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Posted 04 September 2009 - 05:21 PM


Long time reader first time poster, :)

ok so i haven't smoked before and have not consumed much nicotine apart from the odd whiff off passive smoke so i don't have a tolerance, anyway i thought i'd try nicotine gum as ive heard a lot of positives and thought its worth seeing what it can do for me, so i got some gum (apparently you have to be 18 in the UK even though the pack says 12, anyway i got some)

I did try a peice of 2mg but chewed it wrong and only for 4-5 mins so no effect at all

A week later i got another peice of 2mg after researching how to properly chew, I expected roughly the following

- a boost in cognition from anywhere in the range of 30 minutes - 3 hours
- a slight euphoric feeling or increase in mood, i was doing the experiment for the cognitive effects but expected this aswell
- increase in dopamine sensitivity for a few days after
- reduction in muscle tics (some have reported this and i do get some tics occasinoally)

I started at 9:00pm and there was nothing until 9:20 when i started feeling lightheaded this reduced my ability to focus quite drastically, it may have increaed slightly before this but it was extremly subtle if not placebo, i discarded the gum and just sat down for 10 minutes and drank a tea to stop the lightheaded ness, soon the lightheadedness was gone and cognition increased but i put this down to the tea rather than the nicotine, so the cognitive effect didnt go as planned, but the most extrodinary effect was the mood, rather then euphoria i was anhedonic and incredibly flat this continued for 2-3 hours the complete opposite of normal is this not?

So a week later i decied to give it another go with 1mg on advice of another member somehwere on here, the effects were exactly the same as 2mg with almost the same intensity, lowered cognition, lowered mood (well actually anhedonia).

Another side effect was vasoconstriction, i expected this as it's what nicotine does but rather then 3 hours it's gone on for 4 days only now only just easing off. my hands were cold and numb for about 2-3 days after.

Why was my experiement so unorthodox? any thoughts why the results were nowhere near the expectations?

Edited by thatperson, 04 September 2009 - 05:58 PM.


#2 Johann

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 09:14 PM

Nicotine is one of the best things that God created. OH, I love it.

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#3 zocco

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 10:33 PM

Nicotine is interesting and weird, I can't figure it out exactly yet.

It makes wonders, makes me sleep well if I have bad sleep period.
It's good especially when i'm totally exhausted when I can't get good sleep for few days.
Sometimes at taking it (during study day) it makes me sleepy or after longer time of study/work it knocks me down, so I take like 15min-1h sleep like daydreaming and then feel refreshed, great. Usually after one or two days of usage I don't feel the need to take it(or any other substance) in next days. It's like I am cured from something(good sleep helps?). When i feel tired/sleepy/fatigue it makes me productive and able to study whole night and have very good sleep after.
I try to take very small patch(about 1-3mg/24h), that is hard to feel anything at start. That way is the best for long study day. When using it for sleeping less is better. Usually I just leave one I had whole day on and fall a sleep with it(if i feel it will benefit). Next day I should be refreshed and have no need to take anymore. If it's too strong I can't sleep and start to feel weird, buzzing.
Sometimes I take gum and in shot it wakes me up fast and i am ready for work. Gum is good because you can regulate dose in mouth and I think it sometimes feels good because of adrenaline from it's hot taste, when releasing nicotine...(that's why gums might cause addiction?)
Good thing is it also improves my vision, especially when my eyes are too tired. I see more sharper in bigger distance.

And sometimes, it makes me very uncomfortable, dizzy, nervous or like i'm going to panic. Sometimes I get ringing in left ear(but that might be related to something else too, because it also happens without nicotine, and doesn't happen always with it).
I don't like it when it's too hot around, because I start to sweat. I usually get feeling it will be bad for me in seconds after putting patch or taking gum, so I just remove it instantly. Too much of it is bad. And if you already feel good it will probably make you feel worse.

It's interesting drug, it saved my sleep after long time having restless sleep. It makes me study better and feel more energy when going out. Only thing to figure out is when is right time/need to take it so you benefit from it. I think it might depend on what I take with it. Usually in combination with coffee or tea and chocolate it feels really great. I think some food might make you feel bad or not need it, but i'm not sure yet. Less food is also better for study times and better sleep.
I usually have with good green tea bottle of water with vitamin C. It makes tea taste sweet and you feel better.

I am not smoker and I don't think I can get addicted to nicotine.

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 10:54 PM

Messing around with nicotine is a bad idea, it's so addictive, the gum is just as addictive as smoking, and I don't think it has any nootropic effects whatsoever.

Out of all the smokers and non smokers I know, the ones that smoke are not more intelligent than the ones that don't smoke.

You may feel slightly relaxed for an hour or so and then you will be more agitated than usual and need another, after a while you will just need nicotine to feel the same as you did before you ever tried it.

Its so hard to quit, believe me, i'm trying!

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Posted 05 September 2009 - 11:20 PM

Messing around with nicotine is a bad idea, it's so addictive, the gum is just as addictive as smoking, and I don't think it has any nootropic effects whatsoever.

Out of all the smokers and non smokers I know, the ones that smoke are not more intelligent than the ones that don't smoke.

You may feel slightly relaxed for an hour or so and then you will be more agitated than usual and need another, after a while you will just need nicotine to feel the same as you did before you ever tried it.

Its so hard to quit, believe me, i'm trying!


I can't agree about addiction(yet?). I take it occasionally for several months and i really don't feel any need as i must take it or i will get sick (like my smoker friends need cigarettes). I usually take patches. And only when I really feel I can benefit from it. Other vise it will make me feel worse.
Maybe gums can cause it, seller in pharmacy confirmed it some people take alot of gums like addicts, but they are probably ex smokers. As mentioned earlier it's seems different feeling because of taste of gum, i am guessing adrenaline+nicotine combination.

If i feel fatigued and i take it to fell better and then feel again fatigued like before, when it wears off, I can't call it addiction. It's more like self curing. But usually after day or two of very small nicotine patch I have no need to take it or it. I feel so well, normal i forget about it for weeks. And gums to me start to taste bad or like any other chewing gums, i don't like to have any of them too long in my mouth or release too much nicotine that alse doesn't work well. I just have to spit it out.
Maybe it doesn't work same for all people? I read a lot of researches about it and scientist doesn't seem to be united about how it exactly works.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 08:16 AM

I agree with the addiction point Zocco. Nicotine by itself I don't feel is that addictive (gums and patches that is, I'm not talking about smoking)

I occasionally use patches to help with concentration. I feel no serious addictive qualities of nicotine.

I totally disagree with you "imagination" that it's not a noot. It's a super-noot.

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Posted 06 September 2009 - 05:16 PM

My body hates nicotine with a passion. I quit smoking about 7 years ago or so and since then when I have the occasional tobacco with the joint or something of the sort, my heart rate just jumps up something ridiculous. Never measured it, but I swear I didn't feel my heart pounding like that even on hard stimulants like Meth or Metcathinone. Makes me very very nauseous, but I know I can never ever puke on it but **** like hell though. 

So everyone is different, I dunno if its from inhalation but I inhale lots of other smoke so it can't be all tar either I guess. 

As far as the gum yea it should technically be stronger than inhaling through smoke.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 11:18 AM

I find the chewing gum completely destroys my sense of taste for at least a few days.

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Posted 08 September 2009 - 01:05 PM

I agree with the addiction point Zocco. Nicotine by itself I don't feel is that addictive (gums and patches that is, I'm not talking about smoking)

What else is responsible for the addictive properties of cigarettes?

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 01:48 AM

I agree with the addiction point Zocco. Nicotine by itself I don't feel is that addictive (gums and patches that is, I'm not talking about smoking)

What else is responsible for the addictive properties of cigarettes?


How about the strong MAOI B effect (MAO B lowered by 40%) of long term smoking, which is not due to nicotine ?

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For example, a smoker in his 50s will have MAO B of a non-smoker in his 20s:

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How about the even stronger beneficial effect -- the upregulation of three main internal anitoxidant & detox enzymes -- glutathione (or more recent results, cf. Fig 4, p. L1076), catalase and SOD (all three nearly doubled, none of it due to nicotine)? How about the array of powerful anti-inflammatory effects of tobacco smoke unmatched by any other substance known to humans (see this experiment on mice finding significant additional protective effect of tobacco smoke vs pure nicotine against autoimmune damage from rheumatoid arthritis). Or even more unique therapeutic & protective effects listed here (with links to refs). The net result is the substantial life-extension (about 20%) in lifelong smoking vs non-smoking animals:

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In short people smoke because, the antismoking propaganda notwithstanding, smoking is good for them -- tobacco smoke is the single most beneficial medicinal substance and youth elixir, natural or synthetic, humans have ever known. That's why the big pharma has spent many billions over decades on antismoking junk science, brainwashing & legislation, and for even longer as many billions on quietly researching the therapeutic effects of tobacco smoke, trying to replicate at least some of these effects with patentable substances of their own.

Of course, don't rush now and buy a pack, since most supermarket cigarettes aren't even made from tobacco leaf (the real ancient medicine), but from toxic tobacco sheets (reconstituted form plant scraps, adhesives, flavorings & colorings, toxic fire retardants, plus a bit of added nicotine). To get the real thing, you need to use additive free rolling tobacco (such as Natural American Spirit, along with several others in recent years) and roll or stuff your own classical cigarettes.
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#11 zocco

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 07:07 AM

Btw, looks like ringing in left ear i mentioned earlier might be related to tadalafil. :/

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Posted 11 September 2009 - 11:23 PM

So does that mean taking something like selegiline when you quit smoking could be beneficial? That way your body doesn't suffer as much of a system shock. Maybe might keep the cravings away also?

I've never smoked, but my mum just quit a few weeks ago after 30+years and has never felt worse/unfit and am curious.




Btw, looks like ringing in left ear i mentioned earlier might be related to tadalafil. :/



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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:02 PM

According to Vespenegas, nicotine doesn't have an MAO inhibiting effect. The effect you've alluded to is caused by carboxyl esters in tobacco smoke.

Wikipedia seems to back up that statement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 12:03 PM

Human monoamine oxidase is inhibited by tobacco smoke: beta-carboline alkaloids act as potent and reversible inhibitors
by
Herraiz T, Chaparro C.
Spanish Council for Scientific Research, CSIC,
Instituto de Fermentaciones Industriales,
Juan de la Cierva, 3,
28006, Madrid, Spain.
Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2005 Jan 14;326(2):378-86

ABSTRACT

Monoamine oxidase (MAO) is a mitochondrial outer-membrane flavoenzyme involved in brain and peripheral oxidative catabolism of neurotransmitters and xenobiotic amines, including neurotoxic amines, and a well-known target for antidepressant and neuroprotective drugs. Recently, positron emission tomography imaging has shown that smokers have a much lower activity of peripheral and brain MAO-A (30%) and -B (40%) isozymes compared to non-smokers. This MAO inhibition results from a pharmacological effect of smoke, but little is known about its mechanism. Working with mainstream smoke collected from commercial cigarettes we confirmed that cigarette smoke is a potent inhibitor of human MAO-A and -B isozymes. MAO inhibition was partly reversible, competitive for MAO-A, and a mixed-type inhibition for MAO-B. Two beta-carboline alkaloids, norharman (beta-carboline) and harman (1-methyl-beta-carboline), were identified by GC-MS, quantified, and isolated from the mainstream smoke by solid phase extraction and HPLC. Kinetics analysis revealed that beta-carbolines from cigarette smoke were competitive, reversible, and potent inhibitors of MAO enzymes. Norharman was an inhibitor of MAO-A (K(i)=1.2+/-0.18muM) and MAO-B (K(i)=1.12+/-0.19muM), and harman of MAO-A (K(i)=55.54+/-5.3nM). beta-Carboline alkaloids are psychopharmacologically active compounds that may occur endogenously in human tissues, including the brain. These results suggest that beta-carboline alkaloids from cigarette smoke acting as potent reversible inhibitors of MAO enzymes may contribute to the MAO-reduced activity produced by tobacco smoke in smokers. The presence of MAO inhibitors in smoke like beta-carbolines and others may help us to understand some of the purported neuropharmacological effects associated with smoking.

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Posted 17 September 2009 - 10:40 PM

Hey, the pro-smoking troll is back! But honestly: thank you for the references. (They will be certainly fun to debunk once I get to it.)
BTW- props to anyone who spots the problem with the last picture he upped, it's glaring. :)

Edited by kismet, 17 September 2009 - 10:42 PM.


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Posted 19 September 2009 - 06:50 AM

Hey, the pro-smoking troll is back!


More pertinent attributes are anti-brainwashing, pro-science, pro-scientific-integrity, anti-junk-science, anti-big-pharma, anti-government-corruption,.... Of course, those who have been fully blinded by the pharma bought antismoking scam, will see nothing but the pro-smoking aspect in my posts, since in their minds smoking is the worse thing one could do, short of eating apples.

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But honestly: thank you for the references. (They will be certainly fun to debunk once I get to it.)
BTW- props to anyone who spots the problem with the last picture he upped, it's glaring. :)


That graph (one of dozen similar ones) was from the NCI sponsored experiment which backfired in a big way (settting back their 'dehumanization of smokers' agenda for a decade, until the EPA junk scientists saved the day ... for the big pharma profits) was discussed in the last year's "pro smoking" thread in this forum.
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 02:05 PM

Hey, the pro-smoking troll is back!


More pertinent attributes are anti-brainwashing, pro-science, pro-scientific-integrity, anti-junk-science, anti-big-pharma, anti-government-corruption,.... Of course, those who have been fully blinded by the pharma bought antismoking scam, will see nothing but the pro-smoking aspect in my posts, since in their minds smoking is the worse thing one could do, short of eating apples.



Ugh, please go away you moron. Sorry, you don't deserve anything less insulting or more eloquent.

Edit: In fact, I wish you'd just piss off and stop vandalising this forum with your mindless stupidity.

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#18 Thales

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Posted 20 September 2009 - 10:15 PM

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17971108

"CONCLUSIONS: Isolated nicotine can significantly attenuate physiological sexual arousal in healthy nonsmoking men."

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 07:18 AM

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17971108

"CONCLUSIONS: Isolated nicotine can significantly attenuate physiological sexual arousal in healthy nonsmoking men."


Note that this is for one time acute exposure (and to pure nicotine not tobacco smoke). It's a typical technique for this genre of antismoking mercenary "science".

Lots of things which are beneficial in the long term for some function will tend to impair the very same function in the early, acute application/use. For example, say you wanted to test how do weights exercises affect muscle strength. And say, your sponsor who sells muscle enhancing pills, would like to see the main competition to their pills, plain old inexpensive weight lifting, discredited. You take some nerds who have never exercised with weights, or lift anything at all heavier than iPhone, split them into test and control group, then have the test group subjects hold 60 pound weight up in the air for 40 minutes steady. The control group subjects are left alone to wander in the labs. Then you test both groups for muscle strength (or on any other performance, physical, sexual or mental). The test group will be wiped out, in pains, with muscle cramps, dislocated joints, pulled tendons,... and will certainly show poorer performance on the subsequent tests (of any kind).

And voila, your sponsor is very happy with your "science" and you can expect further contracts for similar "science" from them and other muscle enhancing pill manufacturers. That's exactly what those "scientists" did to "prove" harm from tobacco smoke (typically sponsored by those financially benefiting from antismoking, such as pharmaceutical industry, health buraucracies, federal & local governments extorting smokers with astronomical taxes, along with array of other opportunistic parasites in media, "education'' & academia).

Note also that pure nicotine is quite different from tobaco leaf smoke -- an ancient medicine tuned to perfection over the eight thousand years of use by more than two billions of lifelong test subjects, each enjoying immediate, continuous, information rich feedback from each interaction. The key to tuning some substance or procedure for some function are the amount and quality of feedback information evaluating the targeted function. By virtue of delivering its medicinal components straight into the arterial bloodstream, tobacco smoke provides instant, accurate feedback, allowing for proper attribution of any changes in the effects to the immediately preceeding changes in the composition of tobacco smoke (affected in turn by tobacco leaf mixes used, curing, additives, burning rate, pipe construction, paper, filters, way of smoking,...). In contrast, the substances taken in through digestive system, such as foods, beverages, medicinal plants, pharmaceuticals,... take typically several orders of magnitude longer to reach the target systems and manifest their effects, which not only quantitatively reduces the feedback information flow by orders of magnitude compared to that from tobacco smoke, but the information quality is lowered as well since any effects are much harder to attribute to specific minor change in the ingested substance (especially in non-controlled daily life environment where much of such tuning goes on). Therefore, tobacco smoke was tuned more finely for its beneficial effects than just about anything else, other than water and air, we take.

In particular, regarding the effects of tobacco smoke on sexual performance (which is affected, among others, by acute vascular effects, along with acute & long term endocrine, central & peripheral nervous systems effects, psychological effects), there is quite a bit of difference between pure nicotine and tobacco smoke, not just in composition but in delivery mechanics.

First, while pure nicotine is vasoconstricting in acute use, its long term effects include stimulation of angogenesis and formation of capillary networks (these effects have resulted in drugs for treating congestive heart disease), which is certainly a therapeutic effect for impotence caused by circulatory problems (which include congestive heart disease as its underlying cause).

Second, unlike the pure nicotine, the finely tuned natural medicine, tobacco smoke, already includes several components which counter even those acute vasoconstricting effects of nicotine -- the vasodilating nitric oxide (the active ingredient behind none other than Viagra) and the vital oxygenation & circulatory signaling molecule, the low dose carbon monoxide.

Third, considering other, non-circulatory, anti-impotence supplements and drugs, such as CoQ10 (the chief natural source of which is tobacco leaf), pregnenolone, DHEA, testosterone (long term use of tobacco smoke upregulates these hormones and slows down their decline with aging), MAO inhibitors including selegiline (as noted above, TS is a potent MAOI),... the tobacco smoke covers harmoniously most of their effects as well.

Fourth, even the the mechanics of just nicotine delivery is quite different between tobacco smoking and ingested (or skin absorbed) nicotine. Smoking is a cyclic activity, with several nested cycles (puffs, cigarettes, smoke breaks, daily cycles, weekends,...), all finely controlled and tuned for optimal delivery rate, medicinal component composition (.e.g. speed of burning, inhalation rate, packing density affect CO & NO levels) and timing, by the immediate feedbacks from the affected biochemical networks of the user. In contrast, the blunt device of ingested pharmaceutical nicotine, lacks any such instant feedbacks. For example, while you can easily overdose, even lethally, on pharmaceutical nicotine, you just can't do that with tobacco smoke (its warning feedbacks as you approach anywhere close to lethal overdose ~60mg, 3 packs, are so dramatic and so clear, so early, that no one can possibly do it). That's why I brought up this difference in the weight lifting analogy above, where natural, spontaneous weight lifting (analogous to cyclic, finely self-tuning smoking) is contrasted with the contrived "experiment" in which subjects are made to lift the weight and hold it steady in the air for half an hour (analogous to ingesting the full daily dose of pharma nicotine and then suffering whatever effects are coming down, with no way to tune it, time it or adjust it at all, once it is in).

Edited by nightlight, 21 September 2009 - 08:00 AM.

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Posted 21 September 2009 - 07:54 AM

Ugh, please go away you moron. Sorry, you don't deserve anything less insulting or more eloquent.

Edit: In fact, I wish you'd just piss off and stop vandalising this forum with your mindless stupidity.


It's your lucky day -- among its myriad benefits, tobacco smoke is concindentally quite therapeutic for Tourette’s syndrome, too (see the earlier ImmInst post or 5000+ refs here).

Edited by nightlight, 21 September 2009 - 07:57 AM.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 07:21 AM

Still patiently waiting for your debunking and hoping you expand on your radical insinuation that smoking is not healthy.

Hey, the pro-smoking troll is back! But honestly: thank you for the references. (They will be certainly fun to debunk once I get to it.)
BTW- props to anyone who spots the problem with the last picture he upped, it's glaring. ;)



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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:44 PM

Ridiculous. Let it go.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:50 PM

I'll let others do the job, it's really too easy.

BTW- props to anyone who spots the problem with the last picture he upped, it's glaring. ;)


A little troll feeding has never hurt anyone...

Edited by kismet, 24 September 2009 - 12:51 PM.


#24 nightlight

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 12:32 AM

Still patiently waiting for your debunking and hoping you expand on your radical insinuation that smoking is not healthy.

Hey, the pro-smoking troll is back! But honestly: thank you for the references. (They will be certainly fun to debunk once I get to it.)
BTW- props to anyone who spots the problem with the last picture he upped, it's glaring. ;)


Your mouse and keyboard will be growing grass and spider webs before your waiting for the promised flood of scientific debunking materials is over. It's not their fault, though. They can't show what's not there -- there simply isn't any genuine science behind the antismoking propaganda to bring out when challenged in earnest. It's basically not easy to even fake a scientific demonstration that the single most beneficial medicinal substance known to humans, natural or synthetic, bar none -- tobacco smoke -- is actually harmflul (let alone fatally so in half its users, as the official mythology goes). In a similar discussion, albeit with more substance, in the other nootropic forum, the moderator who ridiculed (from the position of authority, not on any facts) my statements early on in the thread, became very quiet after several posts, then came back several weeks after the thread has ceased any activity, acknowledging that in the meantime "this thread got me to do some research", which left him with conclusion that what he found (or rather, couldn't find) "does make you scratch you head..."

These poor folks were sold that whole antismoking myth as kids, before they had developed any capabilities for critical thought and evaluation, they grew with it and take it now as just the way the world is, along with load of other myths fed to them at young age. It has been couple years since the last time in this forum someone brought up a scientific paper with a real, pertinent experiment, appearing from the abstract and the intro to demonstrate direct harm from smoking in animal experiment. Unfortunately that paper backfired badly, when the closer reading beyond the first page revealed a buried little unpleasant fact -- the smoking animals lived longer than the non-smoking controls, despite more than clearly evident best efforts from the researchers to cause harm by smoke (e.g. the smoke levels were driven right up to the asphyxiation level, possibly even slighly beyond). The exactly same tragicomic twist replayed later in another forum, with another similar animal experiment. And that was the general pattern seen in hundreds of other scientific experiements done over the last six decades with similar motives and objectives, that kids are never told about in schools.

This ancient medicinal miracle plant, with its biochemical networks programmed over at least eight millenia by the information rich, immediate biochemical feedbacks from billions of lifelong test subjects, to perfection to first do no harm to smoker -- and second, as if echoing Asimov's robots, to help smoker's health, longevity and well being the best it knows how, without violating the first rule -- will simply not cause harm to smoker, no matter what these scientific mercenaries tried over the decades (and they were quite imaginative, too, see S.S. Hecht's survey paper of decades of such experiments discussed in an earlier thread here).

The cellular biochemical networks of a live cell, including those of tobacco plant, are still unimaginably more skillfull with the practical molecular level bio-enginering and equally unimaginably more knowledgable about the most subtle patterns and the innermost laws of the biochemistry of life processes, than anything our present crude molecular biology, biochemistry, pharmacology, medicine,... could even dream about, that there was no real contest of substance in the antismoking pursuit above. It would be as if the legendary Bobby Fischer in his best years (early 1970s) were playing chess match against a kid who just barely learned how to set up the initial chessboard position and the rules on how to move rooks and pawns, without the en passant rule -- there would be absolutely no mysteries or surprises about the the match outcome.The best these antismoking "scientists" could really do, is what they did in the above discussion -- dupe few shallow readers who take the word of autorities as the final scientific truth and who read only the abstracts and executive summaries with ready made conclusions they're to take in whole, in one gulp, and then regurgitate and dispense around to those even less informed, as the last word of science on a given subject. The foundations on which the antismoking "science" stands, the reason for its existence at all, is the flood of the big pharma money to the bureaucratic, political and scientific (especially in education) crooks coupled with the widespread scientific ignorance and naivete among the general public.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 07:26 AM

As a quiting smoker now using patches, i can offer a few comments.

My skin health and general energy levels decline dramatically after 6-9 months of smoking *natural* tobacco (3 separate personal trials). A month after quiting, i feel *much* better - sexual stamina is improved, too ;). From my personal experience, I strongly recommend *against* smoking or using any tobacco product on a habitual basis (more than once a month? threshold is different for every person - for me, any use quickly becomes habitual)

In my experience, nicotine alone is still addictive. After 4 weeks of patch use (21 mg, 1/2 patch morning 1/2 patch evening, removed at night), i can comfortably go longer without a patch than without a cigarette. Still, there's grogginess and craving.

It's clear to me that nicotine alone has good neuro-stimulatory properties. I have some tolerance, but i still feel effects even with daily use. Focus is improved. I notice that aerobic capacity is decreased (harder to jog 1+ miles), and creativity is somewhat reduced. For classic "left brain" work, it works very well, though. I compare the toxicity/addiction/benefit profile of transdermal nicotine to coffee. Millions of humans have a lifelong addiction to their morning coffee, and it still works, day after day, without terrible consequences.

In my experience, gum is not worth the trouble at all. After trying the patch, i consider the gum an essentially worthless product.




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