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#1 nanothan

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 05:43 AM


According to Pareto's principal 80% of the outputs for something come from 20% of the inputs. It has been shown that this applies to many things. So this means that if you are taking 15 nootropics, (like some people are) 80% of your positive results might only be coming from 3 of the nootropics. 5 might be giving you small effects, 5 might be doing nothing, and 2 might be canceling out postive effects of other nootropics or otherwise causing negitive effects. Think about, when doctors try to treat a disease they don't give you 15 different drugs. They only give you 1 which they know will work.

Also, if you are taking 15 nootropics, which have synergistic and anti-synergistic effects all feeding into each other, the number of possible combinations of dosages of these nootropics would be massive and impossible to test each one for enough time to get an accurate result.

With this in mind, what do you think the best 5 nootropic stack would be?

Here is my list:
Cerebrolysin (neuron growth)
Vincetopine (increased cerebral blood flow and neuroprotection (have not tried it by itself))
Pramiracetam (the only racetam I have tried)
Alpha GPC (choline source for the racetam)
Hydregine (Havent tired it but sounds good)

Notes: Don't have several nootropics which do the same thing. Pick the one which either has the most powerful safe effects or has all or most of the effects of the other drug, plus extra ones. For example, you could say that Cerebrolysin > Idebenone, since both are known for increasing NGF, but there is much more evidence for Cerebrolysin than for Idebone and it is much more powerful.

I think it is a good idea to list the purpose of each drug next to it or which "class" it is from.

In my opinion there are 2 basic classes of nootropics, 1. long term nootropics which either enhance the structure of the brain, or are neuroprotective, and 2. short term nootropics which "overclock" the brain, by stimulating certain neurotransmitters, with the downside of causing downregulation.

The way you should decide on which drug of a class of drugs to use is like this:
1. Effects (assuming decent evidence)
2. Safety
3. Evidence
4. Price

So the only way price comes into play if two drugs (say 2 racetams) have equal effects, equal safety, and there is equal studies for their effects. I know this will favor higher priced nootropics but I would be more interested in seeing which nootropics are the best rather than which is the best for each persons budget, which would mean everyone would come up with different lists.

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 06:30 AM

Ashwaghanda
Alpha GPC
Piracetam
Lithium orotate
l-theanine
rhodiola rosea

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Perfect stack for neuroprotection, neuron/dendrite/axon regrowth.

Has an effect on all the neurotransmitters: acetylcholine, dopamine, GABA, serotonin.

Calm focus, mental clarity, increased self control, confidence, memory, and intelligence.

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 12:08 AM

In no particular order:
1~Copious amounts of water (with electrolytes). I learned of the mind-enhancing properties of electrolytes from watching the movie Idiocracy. In fact that movie is where I get most of my mind-expanding techniques from.
2~Beer & bicycling (I feel extra special about myself that I am better than car-drivers since I emit no carbon other than the occasional accidental flatulence, although I admit to feeling really guilty when I can't hold that in and therefore add to the deadly CO2 pollution).
3~Getting mugged at gunpoint (I always worry that the gun may go off and accidently injure my underprivileged attacker), plus the adrenaline rush makes me feel real good.
4~Listening to liberal sermons about the impending doom of global warming and why our entire economy should be based on non-carbon emitting green technology
5~Organic unpasteurized raw milk, bc brucellosis never hurt anyone! Raw, natural and organic are all good for you, my whole-foodist Yoga instructor told me so.
~Sometimes I use hypothermia as a substitute for #4 if a Liberal isn't immediately available to expound his/her wisdom and virtue onto me. It makes me feel safer from the effects of our over-heating atmosphere and prevents my shirt from catching on fire. Drinking 2 pints of beer will help you feel not as cold too.
~Also, ff you can't find a freezer to hide in and protect yourself from global warming sometimes ample amounts weed and LSD can serve as a substitute to teleport your consciousness into hyperspace where evil carbon dioxide can't exist. I've experienced no adverse interactions between any of these nootropics to date!

Cheers to false science! (Al G. & his followers are all frauds!)

Edited by Bluejay1, 05 December 2009 - 12:25 AM.

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#4 Johann

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 02:49 PM

5~Organic unpasteurized raw milk, bc brucellosis never hurt anyone! Raw, natural and organic are all good for you, my whole-foodist Yoga instructor told me so.


You are a tiny little pee-on. :p

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 03:24 PM

In no particular order:
1~Copious amounts of water (with electrolytes). I learned of the mind-enhancing properties of electrolytes from watching the movie Idiocracy. In fact that movie is where I get most of my mind-expanding techniques from.
2~Beer & bicycling (I feel extra special about myself that I am better than car-drivers since I emit no carbon other than the occasional accidental flatulence, although I admit to feeling really guilty when I can't hold that in and therefore add to the deadly CO2 pollution).
3~Getting mugged at gunpoint (I always worry that the gun may go off and accidently injure my underprivileged attacker), plus the adrenaline rush makes me feel real good.
4~Listening to liberal sermons about the impending doom of global warming and why our entire economy should be based on non-carbon emitting green technology
5~Organic unpasteurized raw milk, bc brucellosis never hurt anyone! Raw, natural and organic are all good for you, my whole-foodist Yoga instructor told me so.
~Sometimes I use hypothermia as a substitute for #4 if a Liberal isn't immediately available to expound his/her wisdom and virtue onto me. It makes me feel safer from the effects of our over-heating atmosphere and prevents my shirt from catching on fire. Drinking 2 pints of beer will help you feel not as cold too.
~Also, ff you can't find a freezer to hide in and protect yourself from global warming sometimes ample amounts weed and LSD can serve as a substitute to teleport your consciousness into hyperspace where evil carbon dioxide can't exist. I've experienced no adverse interactions between any of these nootropics to date!

Cheers to false science! (Al G. & his followers are all frauds!)

This is actually kind of funny

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 06:14 PM

In no particular order:
1~Copious amounts of water (with electrolytes). I learned of the mind-enhancing properties of electrolytes from watching the movie Idiocracy. In fact that movie is where I get most of my mind-expanding techniques from.
2~Beer & bicycling (I feel extra special about myself that I am better than car-drivers since I emit no carbon other than the occasional accidental flatulence, although I admit to feeling really guilty when I can't hold that in and therefore add to the deadly CO2 pollution).
3~Getting mugged at gunpoint (I always worry that the gun may go off and accidently injure my underprivileged attacker), plus the adrenaline rush makes me feel real good.
4~Listening to liberal sermons about the impending doom of global warming and why our entire economy should be based on non-carbon emitting green technology
5~Organic unpasteurized raw milk, bc brucellosis never hurt anyone! Raw, natural and organic are all good for you, my whole-foodist Yoga instructor told me so.
~Sometimes I use hypothermia as a substitute for #4 if a Liberal isn't immediately available to expound his/her wisdom and virtue onto me. It makes me feel safer from the effects of our over-heating atmosphere and prevents my shirt from catching on fire. Drinking 2 pints of beer will help you feel not as cold too.
~Also, ff you can't find a freezer to hide in and protect yourself from global warming sometimes ample amounts weed and LSD can serve as a substitute to teleport your consciousness into hyperspace where evil carbon dioxide can't exist. I've experienced no adverse interactions between any of these nootropics to date!

Cheers to false science! (Al G. & his followers are all frauds!)

This is actually kind of funny


Not it is really not.

Here is why: Our little pee-on friend here trying to graduate to full blown piss ant doesn't see
the irony in his feeble attempt. In trying to score points for passing off bargain basement, second class sarcasm as high brow wit, he doesn't see the conundrum to which he imprisons himself.

He would have us dismiss the scare & hype by the global warmists but at the same time accept the scare & hype surrounding unpasteurized milk.

I've been drinking unpasteurized goat and cow milk for over 5 years (along w/ my nearly 3 y.o. son) and I've never even come down with diarrhea.

Edited by Johann, 05 December 2009 - 06:15 PM.


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Posted 05 December 2009 - 06:40 PM

Go ahead and drink your raw milk, no one is going to stop you. It's not like dairy is super-healthy for you anyway. Cow milk is nothing like human milk, the goat milk is probably closer to human milk than cow milk, but goat milk is still more suitable for goats than for humans.

Sorry if I pissed you off (although you are probably an irate liberal looking for any way possible to lash out in retaliation to my truthful remark about your martyr Al G).

I personally would rather avoid the risks associated with consuming raw milk (heck they can't even get raw vegetables to the consumer without occassional food poisonings, now you want raw milk?). Mycoplasma infections are very real and not fun.

You can read into my raw-milk comment any way you like. In case if anyone out there can't tell that my previous post was sarcastic, I DEFINITELY don't advise drinking raw milk - you have nothing to gain from drinking raw milk either, infact most humans in the world aren't even equipped to properly digest lactose. I'm sure liberal numbnuts here is going to come back with some pro-rawmilk argument, all I can say is that there is nothing better than self-inflicted punishment.

Humans don't require interspecies milk for optimal health, *human milk up to 9-14mo is the only real benefit of HUMAN milk that I can logically accept*. There isn't any nutrient in milk that you can't easily get elsewhere, such as vegetables and non-mucus animal products.

I'm not looking for a continuation of this argument and feel sorry for you if you can't accept the fact that raw milk has a low benefits to risks ratio. Milk/dairy is more of a famine food (calorie dense / nutrient poor) than a health-food. To put it in liberal-speak for you, there really isn't any sustainable argument here to discuss.






Not it is really not.

Here is why: Our little pee-on friend here trying to graduate to full blown piss ant doesn't see
the irony in his feeble attempt. In trying to score points for passing off bargain basement, second class sarcasm as high brow wit, he doesn't see the conundrum to which he imprisons himself.

He would have us dismiss the scare & hype by the global warmists but at the same time accept the scare & hype surrounding unpasteurized milk.

I've been drinking unpasteurized goat and cow milk for over 5 years (along w/ my nearly 3 y.o. son) and I've never even come down with diarrhea.


Edited by chrono, 28 September 2010 - 01:12 PM.
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#8 nito

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 08:31 PM

N-Acetyl Tyrosine http://www.iherb.com...psules/237?at=1

OR

L tyrosine http://www.iherb.com...psules/836?at=1

Which one do you think is more effective?

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 08:35 PM

Neither, there isn't much evidence at all for their purported claims.

#10 Whiskey77

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 11:38 PM

What a bummer bluejay1 turned this into a liberal vs conservative( yawn) rant. If you want to rant off topic there are plenty of other forums besides this one. There are a million political forums, but not many good forums on noots. Please stay on topic or take your rants elsewhere. What do your posts have to do with the original question?

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Posted 05 December 2009 - 11:55 PM

I posted my 5, then was PERSONALLY attacked. Am I not supposed to defend myself? I have an ogligation to. Who said anything about liberal Vs Conservative? No mentions about conservative by ANYONE. Quit assuming. BTW, whiskey77 How is YOUR post on track??

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In reality though, I guess water WOULD rank amongst the top 5 since there aren't really any reliable nootropics currently available. I've tried at least 50% of the ones currently available to non-lab purchasers so I believe I deserve my say.

Water, food, sleep, moderate exercise. Most everything else is wishful thinking for the healthy presenescent adult.

I've only had temporary minor improvements from drugs, but these almost always dissipate after my mind adjusts.

Modafinil from the local pharmacy felt and performed very similar to caffeine. Racetams were just a major headache-fest, except for piracetam which did have some odd results but none of them I'd label as useful.. My list of failures could go on and span many pages. Honestly I feel like buying nootropics is no different than fulfilling someone else's get-rich quick schemes, how smart is it to get poorer with no resulting benefit?

Some substances like B-vitamins provide mild benefit, but nothing I'd categorize as dramatically mind-enhancing unless you were deficient, then you might see dramatic changes for the better.







What a bummer bluejay1 turned this into a liberal vs conservative( yawn) rant. If you want to rant off topic there are plenty of other forums besides this one. There are a million political forums, but not many good forums on noots. Please stay on topic or take your rants elsewhere. What do your posts have to do with the original question?



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Posted 06 December 2009 - 12:22 AM

Ok, enough about raw milk, exersize and other random stuff. Bluejay if you don't think nootropics work then go post a thread about it, and watch as it gets no responses and gets deleted. Don't come trying to kill other disscussions with your incoherent attempts at humor.

I forgot to put in the origional post that this thread should be purely about actual nootropics. Not exersize, sleep, multivitimins ect, ect. No doubt those have positive effects, but the purpose of this thread was to find out which 5 nootropics people think are the best, and which would you pick if you had unlimeted budget, but could only choose 5?

If anyone has some actual responses, please post.

Also, you can come up with multiple lists. Like one high safety list, one high effects list ect.

Edited by 2150???????????, 06 December 2009 - 01:21 AM.

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#13 Whiskey77

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 01:38 AM

My main concern is test taking. I take a lot of professional exams which require an enormous amount memorization.

Top 5 nootropic supplements for studying:

piracetem
choline
vasopressin taken right when I study
galantamine before bed
melatonin before bed

Top 5 nootropic supplements for day of test:


Nicotine patch, 21 mg that morning
piracetem
choline
Vitamin B12
Bacopa before bed the night before test

I do like adderall but it can sometimes make me too anxious, which hurts my memory performance. It can just sometimes be too much for me.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:15 AM

In no particular order:
1~Copious amounts of water (with electrolytes). I learned of the mind-enhancing properties of electrolytes from watching the movie Idiocracy. In fact that movie is where I get most of my mind-expanding techniques from.
2~Beer & bicycling (I feel extra special about myself that I am better than car-drivers since I emit no carbon other than the occasional accidental flatulence, although I admit to feeling really guilty when I can't hold that in and therefore add to the deadly CO2 pollution).
3~Getting mugged at gunpoint (I always worry that the gun may go off and accidently injure my underprivileged attacker), plus the adrenaline rush makes me feel real good.
4~Listening to liberal sermons about the impending doom of global warming and why our entire economy should be based on non-carbon emitting green technology
5~Organic unpasteurized raw milk, bc brucellosis never hurt anyone! Raw, natural and organic are all good for you, my whole-foodist Yoga instructor told me so.
~Sometimes I use hypothermia as a substitute for #4 if a Liberal isn't immediately available to expound his/her wisdom and virtue onto me. It makes me feel safer from the effects of our over-heating atmosphere and prevents my shirt from catching on fire. Drinking 2 pints of beer will help you feel not as cold too.
~Also, ff you can't find a freezer to hide in and protect yourself from global warming sometimes ample amounts weed and LSD can serve as a substitute to teleport your consciousness into hyperspace where evil carbon dioxide can't exist. I've experienced no adverse interactions between any of these nootropics to date!

Cheers to false science! (Al G. & his followers are all frauds!)


Don't you hate it when you're watching someone do something embarrassing, but they're just not quite perceptive enough to realize how it's coming across, and you can't do anything about it but cringe? Ugh, I hate that experience. Don't drink and post folks. For all our sakes.

On a related note, I'm glad this topic was created because several of us are apparently in need of a regimen upgrade. I don't know if these are my absolute top 5 nootropics, but they're the one's I'm planning on switching to soon in preparation for a very large and consequential exam:

Pramiracetam
Hydergine
Pyritinol
CDP-Choline
Deprenyl
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Posted 08 December 2009 - 07:44 PM

Nah, I wasn't drunk and was only partially kidding. Sorry if anyone else was embarrassed on my part, however, I'm sorry to say that I'm not in the least bit embarrassed nor ashamed of what I've written (now the scientists at Copenhagen... well that story isn't worth going into in this thread).

Light amounts of alcohol could be considered procognitive but any more than a mild buzz is probably damaging brain cells. Yes I know this is common knowledge. I need to get a textbook on hormesis. Light amounts of toxins can sometimes have positive effect, many ethnobotanicals work this way too.



In no particular order:
1~Copious amounts of water (with electrolytes). I learned of the mind-enhancing properties of electrolytes from watching the movie Idiocracy. In fact that movie is where I get most of my mind-expanding techniques from.
2~Beer & bicycling (I feel extra special about myself that I am better than car-drivers since I emit no carbon other than the occasional accidental flatulence, although I admit to feeling really guilty when I can't hold that in and therefore add to the deadly CO2 pollution).
3~Getting mugged at gunpoint (I always worry that the gun may go off and accidently injure my underprivileged attacker), plus the adrenaline rush makes me feel real good.
4~Listening to liberal sermons about the impending doom of global warming and why our entire economy should be based on non-carbon emitting green technology
5~Organic unpasteurized raw milk, bc brucellosis never hurt anyone! Raw, natural and organic are all good for you, my whole-foodist Yoga instructor told me so.
~Sometimes I use hypothermia as a substitute for #4 if a Liberal isn't immediately available to expound his/her wisdom and virtue onto me. It makes me feel safer from the effects of our over-heating atmosphere and prevents my shirt from catching on fire. Drinking 2 pints of beer will help you feel not as cold too.
~Also, ff you can't find a freezer to hide in and protect yourself from global warming sometimes ample amounts weed and LSD can serve as a substitute to teleport your consciousness into hyperspace where evil carbon dioxide can't exist. I've experienced no adverse interactions between any of these nootropics to date!

Cheers to false science! (Al G. & his followers are all frauds!)


Don't you hate it when you're watching someone do something embarrassing, but they're just not quite perceptive enough to realize how it's coming across, and you can't do anything about it but cringe? Ugh, I hate that experience. Don't drink and post folks. For all our sakes.

On a related note, I'm glad this topic was created because several of us are apparently in need of a regimen upgrade. I don't know if these are my absolute top 5 nootropics, but they're the one's I'm planning on switching to soon in preparation for a very large and consequential exam:

Pramiracetam
Hydergine
Pyritinol
CDP-Choline
Deprenyl



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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:30 PM

Nah, I wasn't drunk and was only partially kidding. Sorry if anyone else was embarrassed on my part, however, I'm sorry to say that I'm not in the least bit embarrassed nor ashamed of what I've written (now the scientists at Copenhagen... well that story isn't worth going into in this thread).


I reported you to the mods. I know you spend most of your time in the politics forum so you may not be aware but we don't come here to debate current events. I work in politics and imminst is one of my few refuges from uninformed political opinions. Your initial post was literally the most off-topic and generally inappropriate response I've seen on the nootropics forum since I started posting over a year and a half ago. I don't care what your opinions are, I honestly don't, but keep it in the politics forum. Hopefully posts from here on out will address the OP's question.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:55 PM

You know, I am just beginning my journey with Nootropics. My goals are focus, energy, well being, and a general "present" feeling in my day to day life. My life on pharmaceuticals is constant drowsiness, fogginess and depression.

Armodafinil (Nuvigil) worked the best for me, but my body quickly attuned to it and it became useless (same for provigil)
Ardrafinil has worked consistently for the last four months or so.
Piracetam has been a sort of 'eh' for me. I have to wonder if my reaction to it is placebo effect or psychosomatic

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 02:19 PM

Ashwaghanda
Alpha GPC
Piracetam
Lithium orotate
l-theanine
rhodiola rosea

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Perfect stack for neuroprotection, neuron/dendrite/axon regrowth.

Has an effect on all the neurotransmitters: acetylcholine, dopamine, GABA, serotonin.

Calm focus, mental clarity, increased self control, confidence, memory, and intelligence.


I am also new to Nootropics and am looking for a regimen that would be neuro protective and help regrowth. Would k10's stack above be a good place to start or are there other supplements that I should consider?

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 03:14 PM

Real quick:

lithium
CDP-choline
deprenyl
pterostilbene
ashwaghanda
acetyl-l-carnitine arginate
melatonin

BUT! The MOST important tactic to prevent brain disorders: avoid fructose, and carb over-consumption. The brain degrades MUCH faster under the assault of a glucose-driven metabolism. It runs much cleaner -- metabolically speaking -- on fatty acids, which it can do up to approx 50% of its energy needs.

I suspect that diet alone represents Pareto's principal to a tee, and all of these noots have a relatively minimal effect.
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Posted 18 December 2009 - 07:50 PM

Interesting research I found on lithium attached.

I will have to agree with Duke on lithium, cdp-choline, and ashwagandha. I do not know enough about deprenyl, pterostilbene, and melatonin to suggest it can improve cognition in healthy humans, and I have never had positive experiences with ALCAR.

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Posted 18 December 2009 - 11:02 PM

BUT! The MOST important tactic to prevent brain disorders: avoid fructose, and carb over-consumption. The brain degrades MUCH faster under the assault of a glucose-driven metabolism. It runs much cleaner -- metabolically speaking -- on fatty acids, which it can do up to approx 50% of its energy needs.


Well, i have a turbo metabolism which means i have to eat alot of carbs. I've tried eating fat instead, but it only lead to me getting more and more tired. I also started freezing, whereas i normally can almost be naked in -20 to -30 degrees without any problems.

I don't know why it is like this and i don't like it. I can't get fat. If i stop exercising heavily, i lose weight and if i do i get inflammations very easily and it doesn't matter how much i stretch and eat enough of the right foods and supplements, my aches from weightlifting just won't go, only get slightly lighter. I gain muscle mass really quickly too, though.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 09:55 PM

Ashwaghanda
Alpha GPC
Piracetam
Lithium orotate
l-theanine
rhodiola rosea

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Perfect stack for neuroprotection, neuron/dendrite/axon regrowth.

Has an effect on all the neurotransmitters: acetylcholine, dopamine, GABA, serotonin.

Calm focus, mental clarity, increased self control, confidence, memory, and intelligence.


Extremely good stack. I've been experiencing the fantastic effect from Ashagandha, Rhodiola Rosea and L-Theanine for a few days now. I used to take Alpha GPC, it worked for me but I'm now taking CDP-Choline instead which works as well. For Lithium Orotate, I could tell the effect on better mood and mental clarity, but three days after my taking it I started to experience all the bad effect like lose weight, dehydration, irregular heart beat and diarrhea etc. My dosage was 10mg/day for the first 2 days and 15mg/day for the last 2 days. I then visited my physician and had a blood test 20 hours after my last dose, the result however, to my surprise, the level was < 0.1mmol/L, any thoughts on this? After stopped the Lithium Orotate for a few weeks I restarted it at 5mg/day about 10 days ago and so far no side effect have been noticed.
I have a feeling that my brain chemistry could be very similar to that of k10, I response well on 5-HTP and L-Tryptophan and have ordered SAM-E.

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 02:18 AM

Daily vigilance stack -

CDPCholine
Sulbutiamine
Picamilon
Pyritinol
Racetams - 750 mg Aniracetam + 4000 mg Piracetam seems to have a better effect than either alone

I especially like the effect of three neuroenhanced B vitamins. Sulbutiamine is broken down to two thiamine parts after crossing the blood-brain barrier. Picamilon is broken down to niacin and GABA after it crosses the blood-brain barrier. Pyritinol is enhanced B6. The combination of brain specific B1, B3 and B6 is greater than any of them alone. I like the effect so much that I wonder if there is a nootropic version of B12.


For my five brain regeneration supplements -
Lion's Mane for NGF.
Omega 3s + CDP Choline to get the uridine + choline + DHA synthesis of phosphatydlcholine.
Phosphatydlserine
Bacopa - the compounds help regenerate nerves

Edited by bmud, 01 January 2010 - 03:09 AM.


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Posted 01 January 2010 - 02:52 AM

ohh, did i hear liberal vs. conservative???

nah not my mustard... id prefer a good ol capitalist v. communist battle, but besides:

1.Piracetam (in bulk, good price, and works well, especially the longer you on it. I never realized how much of a positive effect it had on me, till I cut it out of my stack)
2.DHA (probably the best supplement for optimal mental acuity. you wont be any smarter, but you will be at your best)
3.acetylcarnitine (I find it only works after being on it for a while.. and it is subtle, yet I still feel something off it after a while, unlike most other noots)
4.ritalin (cheap, and effective....., dont curse me for adding this, but ritalin takes the cake)
5.selegeline (I dont take ritalin everyday, just when needed purpose, thus this is my sub on most days, still cycled of course)


WHERE CAN I GET LIONS MANE TO SHIP INTERNATIONALLY? any help would be appreciated.

Edited by medicineman, 01 January 2010 - 02:53 AM.


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Posted 01 January 2010 - 01:46 PM

WHERE CAN I GET LIONS MANE TO SHIP INTERNATIONALLY? any help would be appreciated.

http://www.iherb.com...?kw=lion's mane

I order pretty much everything from iHerb because the international shipping is super cheap.

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Posted 01 January 2010 - 10:19 PM

Daily vigilance stack -

CDPCholine
Sulbutiamine
Picamilon
Pyritinol
Racetams - 750 mg Aniracetam + 4000 mg Piracetam seems to have a better effect than either alone

I especially like the effect of three neuroenhanced B vitamins. Sulbutiamine is broken down to two thiamine parts after crossing the blood-brain barrier. Picamilon is broken down to niacin and GABA after it crosses the blood-brain barrier. Pyritinol is enhanced B6. The combination of brain specific B1, B3 and B6 is greater than any of them alone. I like the effect so much that I wonder if there is a nootropic version of B12.


For my five brain regeneration supplements -
Lion's Mane for NGF.
Omega 3s + CDP Choline to get the uridine + choline + DHA synthesis of phosphatydlcholine.
Phosphatydlserine
Bacopa - the compounds help regenerate nerves


ohh, did i hear liberal vs. conservative???

nah not my mustard... id prefer a good ol capitalist v. communist battle, but besides:

1.Piracetam (in bulk, good price, and works well, especially the longer you on it. I never realized how much of a positive effect it had on me, till I cut it out of my stack)
2.DHA (probably the best supplement for optimal mental acuity. you wont be any smarter, but you will be at your best)
3.acetylcarnitine (I find it only works after being on it for a while.. and it is subtle, yet I still feel something off it after a while, unlike most other noots)
4.ritalin (cheap, and effective....., dont curse me for adding this, but ritalin takes the cake)
5.selegeline (I dont take ritalin everyday, just when needed purpose, thus this is my sub on most days, still cycled of course)


WHERE CAN I GET LIONS MANE TO SHIP INTERNATIONALLY? any help would be appreciated.


Could you be more specific on "Lion's Mane"? What's your experience of taking it? Thanks.

#27 The Likud Is Behind It

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 04:22 PM

Could you be more specific on "Lion's Mane"? What's your experience of taking it? Thanks.


http://findarticles....9/ai_114820665/

I have been taking it for a couple of months now. I don't notice any effect from it.

#28 rwac

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 05:25 PM

Well, i have a turbo metabolism which means i have to eat alot of carbs. I've tried eating fat instead, but it only lead to me getting more and more tired. I also started freezing, whereas i normally can almost be naked in -20 to -30 degrees without any problems.

I don't know why it is like this and i don't like it. I can't get fat. If i stop exercising heavily, i lose weight and if i do i get inflammations very easily and it doesn't matter how much i stretch and eat enough of the right foods and supplements, my aches from weightlifting just won't go, only get slightly lighter. I gain muscle mass really quickly too, though.


Hey, I think you'd benefit from going paleo. Have you tried eating very few carbs (atkins induction) for 2-4 weeks ?
Sounds like you were suffering from "induction flu" the last time. Stick with it, and you'll be rewarded once it goes away.

#29 Logan

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 07:03 PM

My main concern is test taking. I take a lot of professional exams which require an enormous amount memorization.

Top 5 nootropic supplements for studying:

piracetem
choline
vasopressin taken right when I study
galantamine before bed
melatonin before bed

Top 5 nootropic supplements for day of test:


Nicotine patch, 21 mg that morning
piracetem
choline
Vitamin B12
Bacopa before bed the night before test

I do like adderall but it can sometimes make me too anxious, which hurts my memory performance. It can just sometimes be too much for me.


>Bacopa before bed the night before test

For true cognitive benefits you have to take Bacopa everyday. The benefits did not appear to really become apparent until week 12 of administration in one study.

http://www.google.co...vYtdr0feP5sS_Lg

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#30 cougar

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Posted 02 January 2010 - 11:16 PM

Could you be more specific on "Lion's Mane"? What's your experience of taking it? Thanks.


http://findarticles....9/ai_114820665/

I have been taking it for a couple of months now. I don't notice any effect from it.

Thanks bmud, will read it later.
I'm also interested in Sulbutiamine, Picamilon and Pyritinol, may I ask about which brand you are taking and from where you bought yours and would you mind to tell a little more about your experience with them?




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