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[Wysefool]

I need to find some supplements to aid me in drug recovery. I used to abuse almost every drug but I guess what I'm most worried about having damage from is stimulants (meth, cocaine), deliriants (diphenhydramine, dimenhydrinate), and dissociatives (dextromethorphan). But really I've given almost every drug under the sun a try, save for the research chemicals that are becoming popular. My memory is almost completely shot so that's one area that could really use help, I also have a tough time just organizing my thoughts in general. It makes it really difficult to communicate. I've quit everything except for alcohol (6 beers/week), caffeine (switched to green tea), and nicotine (cigs, but probably going to do patch + gum + zyban). I'm hoping quitting marijuana, which I've only done recently, will reveal that my memory isn't as bad as I think but I'm not too hopeful on that.

Here's what I'm taking so far:
"Now" L-Tyrosine (500mg)
"Now" GABA (500mg)
"Jamieson" Omega 3-6-9
"Jamieson" Vitamin D
"Nu-Life" Focus Formula
"Renew Life" FibreSmart (Because I used to do some opiates)

I'm also making blueberry milkshakes, drinking green tea, and just trying to eat more healthy foods in general. I've thought about giving up meat as well but not sure if that's a good idea.

Thanks for reading! I'm really looking forward to getting some helpful replies.

[OneScrewLoose]

I don't know too much about drug recovery, but I just want to say congrats on getting your life together. Hope you keep it up.

[medievil]

Hypericum --> Regain 5HT2A sensivity
Rhodiola --> Improve mood
Piracetam --> Counteract cognitive deficits
Choline --> Aid piracetam

[Wysefool]

Can I use eggs or some other food for the choline or will I need to buy a supplement?
Thanks for the help and encouragement so far.

[OneScrewLoose]

Can I use eggs or some other food for the choline or will I need to buy a supplement?
Thanks for the help and encouragement so far.

As long as you eat the eggs at the same time as you take the Piracetam I am sure you'll be fine.
I agree with the St. John's Wort (Hypericum) for serotonin repair.

[Wysefool]

I'm already taking GABA so I'm also wondering when I get the piracetam should I drop the GABA or keep taking it?
I can't take the Hydergine because I have psychotic depression. Rhodiola sounds nice but I already have trouble sleeping.

Edited by Wysefool, 19 January 2010 - 03:41 AM.

[medievil]

I'm already taking GABA so I'm also wondering when I get the piracetam should I drop the GABA or keep taking it?
I can't take the Hydergine because I have psychotic depression. Rhodiola sounds nice but I already have trouble sleeping.

Gaba doesnt cross the blood brain barrier, i dont see much reason to take it but it shouldnt interfere with piracetam.

I dont think the rhodiola would make it difficould to sleep, i'm not sure tough, i'm sure someone else could answer that.

[OneScrewLoose]

I remember a post here showing that although GABA doesn't cross the BBB, it works by proxy on another molecule. Anyone got the link?
If you want a form of Gaba that crosses the BBB, look into Picamilon.

[Ben]

I remember a post here showing that although GABA doesn't cross the BBB, it works by proxy on another molecule. Anyone got the link?
If you want a form of Gaba that crosses the BBB, look into Picamilon.

1. Don't do this, don't take picamillon. Because of it's sedative and subsequent rebound effect it can very easily become a habit. Avoid anything like this if you know you have been a person that is easily addicted.

2. Be very wary of what you read here and make sure you do all your own research and confirm everything with a doctor.


GABA is psychoactive. I don't think there's an explanation for why this is and I can't offer you any research that would confirm this, but I did get it from a reliable source.

Basically my advice is to give it time and not be too hard on yourself if you are not making super-human advances in your recovery. The body does heal very well but you need to wait for it to happen. Continue eating healthily and exercise as much as possible. It's a simple forumla and necessarily so. I wouldn't go looking into taking more drugs to offset the affects of the initial drugs that were taken. Shift your mindset away from this and perhaps come back to some of these controversial supplements after a little while.

[OneScrewLoose]

Link please showing Picamilon can cause dependency?

[Ben]

Link please showing Picamilon can cause dependency?

Sadly you wont find anything like that. All the research I can find on picamilon is done by Russian scientists who seem to praise absolutely everything made by large Russian pharmaceutical companies.

The statement was based purely on reasoning. And it's sound reasoning. I don't need to provide you with a scientific paper to explain the obvious: drugs with this sedative and then rebound effect are habit forming and potentially dangerous for someone, A: with a propensity for addiction and, B: someone who is coming through a difficult period in their lives, it's dangerous to self prescribe these things considering this.

Please try and be responsible with your advice, and if you are unsure, my advice to you is, say nothing.

Edited by Ben - Aus, 19 January 2010 - 03:49 PM.

[Cappa]

I need to find some supplements to aid me in drug recovery.

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Thanks for reading! I'm really looking forward to getting some helpful replies.

I hope things work out for you. I know how hard it can be to feel damaged or whatever.

If you haven't already, I would do a hormone panel. At least get adrenal and thyroid function properly tested. I can't think of anything else (without more information) that others haven't already mentioned.. Exercise (cardio) might be of particular importance.

Edited by Cappa, 19 January 2010 - 06:59 PM.

[brunotto]

Most probably this one.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine

....its abilities to interrupt addictions to methadone, heroin, alcohol, and cocaine..."

[Cappa]

Most probably this one.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine

....its abilities to interrupt addictions to methadone, heroin, alcohol, and cocaine..."

Ah, yes. Forgot about Ibogaine. It is a Schedule I drug in the United States, so if you're American and want to try this, you'll either need to go across the border to Canada (or some other jurisdiction where it isn't banned) or do it illegally (AFAIK, many clinics offer this service despite the laws in effect). You've said that you have psychotic depression, so this may be a concern (the psychotic part). If it is something that you want to consider, I certainly would not order online or do this without a doctor (or another professional experienced in this kind of treatment).

Edited by Cappa, 19 January 2010 - 07:53 PM.

[Animal]

I'm already taking GABA so I'm also wondering when I get the piracetam should I drop the GABA or keep taking it?
I can't take the Hydergine because I have psychotic depression.

You have psychotic depression, so I assume you're already taking medication to treat this. Could you please describe what this is just so we can look out for contraindications.

[Wysefool]

I'm already taking GABA so I'm also wondering when I get the piracetam should I drop the GABA or keep taking it?
I can't take the Hydergine because I have psychotic depression.

You have psychotic depression, so I assume you're already taking medication to treat this. Could you please describe what this is just so we can look out for contraindications.

Edit: Which is the best place to buy some Piracetam?


Citalopram 40mg in the morning
Risperidone 2mg at night

Edited by Wysefool, 20 January 2010 - 04:31 AM.

[Wysefool]

I've always heard Ibogaine is great for kicking a habit but I'm pretty sure that's over with, the only opiate I really ever used was codeine. It's the OTC drugs I abused I'm worried about. I'm going to order some piracetam once I check with my doctor and find a good website; do you think it would be reasonable at all to ask to be put on alzheimer drugs? I heard they have a good neuroregenisis effect.

[OneScrewLoose]

Link please showing Picamilon can cause dependency?

Sadly you wont find anything like that. All the research I can find on picamilon is done by Russian scientists who seem to praise absolutely everything made by large Russian pharmaceutical companies.

The statement was based purely on reasoning. And it's sound reasoning. I don't need to provide you with a scientific paper to explain the obvious: drugs with this sedative and then rebound effect are habit forming and potentially dangerous for someone, A: with a propensity for addiction and, B: someone who is coming through a difficult period in their lives, it's dangerous to self prescribe these things considering this.

Please try and be responsible with your advice, and if you are unsure, my advice to you is, say nothing.

I am sorry, but being a douche is not a sound argument. If you have a point to make, then make it and support it with facts.

[medievil]

Link please showing Picamilon can cause dependency?

Sadly you wont find anything like that. All the research I can find on picamilon is done by Russian scientists who seem to praise absolutely everything made by large Russian pharmaceutical companies.

The statement was based purely on reasoning. And it's sound reasoning. I don't need to provide you with a scientific paper to explain the obvious: drugs with this sedative and then rebound effect are habit forming and potentially dangerous for someone, A: with a propensity for addiction and, B: someone who is coming through a difficult period in their lives, it's dangerous to self prescribe these things considering this.

Please try and be responsible with your advice, and if you are unsure, my advice to you is, say nothing.

I am sorry, but being a douche is not a sound argument. If you have a point to make, then make it and support it with facts.

There are some reports about phenibut causing withdrawals on the net[1] and more if you google phenibut withdrawal, so it may very well be possible with piccamilon too.

[OneScrewLoose]

I wasn't saying he was wrong, I just wanted to know his source to better inform myself. But instead, he responded with "this is my opinion and you're wrong and should shut up if you think otherwise," i.e. being a douche.

Anyway, it's hard to say. Just because GABA 1A agonists are addictive, that doesn't mean augmenting the whole GABA system/increasing GABA levels causes addiction, otherwise Glutamine and Lyrica would both be quite addictive. But I would like to see more evidence either way.

[somec]

Get into a regular cardio/weight lifting routine and supplement with NAC. Doing this should help stabilize your mental state and reduce relapse.
http://www.dana.org/...il.aspx?id=5900

[Thorsten3]

Link please showing Picamilon can cause dependency?

Sadly you wont find anything like that. All the research I can find on picamilon is done by Russian scientists who seem to praise absolutely everything made by large Russian pharmaceutical companies.

The statement was based purely on reasoning. And it's sound reasoning. I don't need to provide you with a scientific paper to explain the obvious: drugs with this sedative and then rebound effect are habit forming and potentially dangerous for someone, A: with a propensity for addiction and, B: someone who is coming through a difficult period in their lives, it's dangerous to self prescribe these things considering this.

Please try and be responsible with your advice, and if you are unsure, my advice to you is, say nothing.

Sadly you're a twit
What a pointless statement. Picamilon is not sedating at any level. It produces an anti-anxiety effect at small doses and has a stimulating effect at higher doses. I've taken it for the past couple of years on and off (due to the need to cycle it as it looses effectiveness if taken daily). It doesn't target any specific brain receptors. It's not recreational and doesn't give you a 'high'. It merely increases blood flow in the brain, improves mental well being and mood and is definitely NOT habit forming. It's a brain drug much like piracetam but with differing effects. You obviously know nothing about it but have built your assumptions on the fact that most of these studies are in Russian (so you have just made things up about it - where have you read that this is sedating? I just did a search and found NOTHING!!). Please explain how a GABA molecule fused together with an analogue of niacin is going to exert some kind of powerful drug type of effect? And what are you going on about with this rebound garbabe??? It really isn't going to make you look clever by just making shit up. Maybe I should start a thread saying fish oil gives you cancer but I won't have any studies to back it up. Yeah I'll look real cool!!
So just to clarify even when I stop taking picamilon, much like when I cycle rhodiola I notice absolutely no withdrawl effects whatsoever. That is what makes picamilon unique. There is no sedation yet a feeling of being relaxed and content.
I personally think this supplement could really help somebody like the OP maybe once he gets off those prescribed meds. I wish I knew about things like piracetam and picamilon when I starting the next stage of my life after benzo addiction. I know they would have helped me a lot.
I agree with your better safe than sorry mentality and the OP shouldn't be relying on an internet forum to help him (with all due respect to the people on here who know their stuff). The thing that really helped me was a drug therapist. Obviously when I stopped taking Valium he helped me to deal with my life, altering my perceptions and showing me that there was a way forward. Supplements, nootropics can sure be part of a healing process if the individual has the time to learn about them.

Edited by HyperHydrosis, 21 January 2010 - 09:30 PM.