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Posted 29 April 2010 - 05:21 PM
Posted 30 April 2010 - 01:50 PM
Posted 30 April 2010 - 03:42 PM
Edited by chris w, 30 April 2010 - 03:43 PM.
Posted 30 April 2010 - 06:59 PM
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Posted 30 April 2010 - 07:30 PM
I'll be voting British National Party, although none seem to really have any connection to LE I suppose the British National Party will have a positive effect, merely by freeing up tax money for, and commiting to, increased funding for research universities.
Posted 30 April 2010 - 07:52 PM
Edited by thatperson, 30 April 2010 - 07:52 PM.
Posted 30 April 2010 - 08:19 PM
Edited by captainbeefheart, 30 April 2010 - 08:21 PM.
Posted 30 April 2010 - 08:51 PM
yeah that also loland stop the rich finding tax loop holes, that would be an extra 60 billion a year just by closing up the tax loop holes. I'd increase public spending, get rid of all the private sector elements that run our public services that create bigger breocrascies and instead create world class public services, bish bash bosh!
Posted 01 May 2010 - 02:07 AM
Immigration is the number 1 issue for many people and nationally number 2 behind the economy, which itself is linked.
Posted 01 May 2010 - 08:11 AM
[...] The problems Capitalism, and largely unregulated markets has caused the collapsing of the banking system. [...]
Edited by Alex Libman, 01 May 2010 - 08:15 AM.
Posted 01 May 2010 - 12:06 PM
Is immigration the number 1 issue or *illegal* immigration the number 1 issue?
Posted 01 May 2010 - 04:55 PM
hrm. dunno about that.voting is just a trap that supports the inherently irrational and corrupt collectivist system - don't waste your time.
Posted 01 May 2010 - 06:17 PM
Posted 03 May 2010 - 03:53 AM
Edited by Rol82, 03 May 2010 - 03:56 AM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 04:40 PM
Edited by chris w, 04 May 2010 - 04:43 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 05:21 PM
Two votes for Conservatives in terms of life extension ? Isn't the fight against aging the least conservative thing in the world ? I know that today the Tories are not "medieval" anymore but still, I don't see how they could be in favor of LE. What were your reasons for that votes ?
Posted 04 May 2010 - 05:58 PM
Posted 04 May 2010 - 08:43 PM
Two votes for Conservatives in terms of life extension ? Isn't the fight against aging the least conservative thing in the world ? I know that today the Tories are not "medieval" anymore but still, I don't see how they could be in favor of LE. What were your reasons for that votes ?
LE research isn't going to get far in a collapsing and/or socialist economy.
As for life extension I think Labor would not be the best choice, since there's the problem of "hugeness" concerning this party - an idea such radical would not fit well in my opinion with their traditional voter's base who have to care about jobs being outsourced, general lack of financial security and so on, and for today extending life would mean primarly extending the retirement years.
Edited by rashlan, 04 May 2010 - 08:45 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 09:01 PM
No, Regular immigration, the lib dems immigration policy of "10 year hide and seek" is just a joke.
Edited by rashlan, 04 May 2010 - 09:24 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 09:24 PM
Totally agree, besides conservatism is about individual freedom and less state control.
Edited by chris w, 04 May 2010 - 09:57 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 09:28 PM
Totally agree, besides conservatism is about individual freedom and less state control.
Yeah, individual freedom of the fortunate ones and more control from religion.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 10:33 PM
Totally agree, besides conservatism is about individual freedom and less state control.
Yeah, individual freedom of the fortunate ones and more control from religion.
erm how do you come to that conclusion? Labour have eroded more of our individual freedom than any other party. Were you living in the UK under the last conservative government?
Edited by chris w, 04 May 2010 - 11:10 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 10:50 PM
Totally agree, besides conservatism is about individual freedom and less state control.
Yeah, individual freedom of the fortunate ones and more control from religion.
erm how do you come to that conclusion? Labour have eroded more of our individual freedom than any other party. Were you living in the UK under the last conservative government?
Who is the archetype, the grandpa Conservatist of modern western philosophy of politics ? Joseph de Maistre. Was this man for any kind of "individual" "freedom" ? The only reason why the Conservatives in Britain and many other parts of Europe ( but not my country ) ale livable, is exactly becasue they ceased to be conservative about many social issues concernig freedom of personal choice. Being conservative is about tradition enforced elitism ( including caste like ), and strong religion derived bonds, not in support for any kind of experimental lifestyles like being gay or becomming a mind uploaded cyborg.
Conservatism is about bringing back what was lost in modernisation of western societies, "the good old clean times", and I always thought that transhumanism is pretty much the opposite, and damn, I am going to say this - about Change .
Good luck convincing Margaret Tatcher we should defeat aging.
Edited by rashlan, 04 May 2010 - 11:22 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:16 PM
Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:19 PM
No, Regular immigration, the lib dems immigration policy of "10 year hide and seek" is just a joke.
If you were really concerned about immigration, you would'nt be voting for the BNP as the have little to no chance of getting a single MP.
unlike the figures that Labour band about, only 30% - 40% of our immigration is from the EU with the vast bulk being from places like Pakistan.
Labour embarked on an open door immigration policy when they came to power in 1997.
The conservatives will cap immigration from countries outside the EU like they promise because it's in their interests, nearly 80% of immigrants vote for Labour.
Haven't you ever wondered why all the postal voting Fraud is carried out by muslims voting fraud in east London
Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:24 PM
Of course that can cap immigration, just not from the EU. We have currently got a deficit of 13% of our GDP and next year its projected to be higher than greece's, I just don't think voting for the BNP is going to help things.No, Regular immigration, the lib dems immigration policy of "10 year hide and seek" is just a joke.
If you were really concerned about immigration, you would'nt be voting for the BNP as the have little to no chance of getting a single MP.
unlike the figures that Labour band about, only 30% - 40% of our immigration is from the EU with the vast bulk being from places like Pakistan.
Labour embarked on an open door immigration policy when they came to power in 1997.
The conservatives will cap immigration from countries outside the EU like they promise because it's in their interests, nearly 80% of immigrants vote for Labour.
Haven't you ever wondered why all the postal voting Fraud is carried out by muslims voting fraud in east London
Barking is a real chance, stoke central/Dagenham&Rainham are also real possibilites. Also your logic doesn't work, Why would I vote for a party advocating potentially unlimited immigration?
The conservatives have already failed, first saying "it will be in the 10,000's not 100,000's" and now they say it may be as high as 120,000. Conservatives Can't Cap immigration, it's just a blatent lie. Only UKIP or the BNP can stop immigration. And only the BNP want to.
LibLabCon, It's really hard to say which one is the lesser of the three evils, virtually the same.
Edited by rashlan, 04 May 2010 - 11:29 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:24 PM
Certain traditions are integral to the nations culture.
Edited by chris w, 04 May 2010 - 11:36 PM.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:34 PM
Certain traditions are integral to the nations culture.
Isn't aging and death also integral to being human ? And I wouldn't mind destroying them.
To say that certain traditions are integral to a nation's culture is exactly like saying "humans age and die" - it doesn't mean anything about wheter this is something to be valued. If in certain parts of the world they mutilate girls by cutting out their clitori, it is integral to those cultures and horryfing as well. But the conservatist ( not libertarian ) would say that this should not be changed since it was always like that. Sorry, but no matter how twist the definition of "conservatist" things that go against the order of nature ( like curing aging ) are anti - conservative.
Singapore and Honkong are good examples of merging capitalism with "traditional values" and in the first case - with authoritarism ( like getting death penalty for any ammount of illegal drugs ).
Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:37 PM
What makes you think that them voting Lib Dem is a good indicator? Which of their policies do you agree with?Our kids will be out of school on voting day, their school is our local voting location. My eldest in Secondary school will be participating in a school vote and I'm quite interested in how the British youth will vote--it is a good indicator so far, in my opinion, that she and most of her friends or Liberal Democrat supporters.
Posted 04 May 2010 - 11:39 PM
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