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[bobdrake12]

Edited by bobdrake12, 22 May 2010 - 12:35 PM.

[bobdrake12]

http://www.randpaul2...ecord-straight/

Rand Paul Sets the Record Straight
Published on 20 May 2010 by Jesse in General News

In response to liberal media attacks, Dr. Rand Paul today released the following statement:

“I believe we should work to end all racism in American society and staunchly defend the inherent rights of every person. I have clearly stated in prior interviews that I abhor racial discrimination and would have worked to end segregation. Even though this matter was settled when I was 2, and no serious people are seeking to revisit it except to score cheap political points, I unequivocally state that I will not support any efforts to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

“Let me be clear: I support the Civil Rights Act because I overwhelmingly agree with the intent of the legislation, which was to stop discrimination in the public sphere and halt the abhorrent practice of segregation and Jim Crow laws.

“As I have said in previous statements, sections of the Civil Rights Act were debated on Constitutional grounds when the legislation was passed. Those issues have been settled by federal courts in the intervening years

“My opponent’s statement on MSNBC Wednesday that I favor repeal of the Civil Rights Act was irresponsible and knowingly false. I hope he will correct the record and retract his claims.”

“The issue of civil rights is one with a tortured history in this country. We have made great strides, but there is still work to be done to ensure the great promise of Liberty is granted to all Americans.

“This much is clear: The federal government has far overreached in its power grabs. Just look at the recent national healthcare schemes, which my opponent supports. The federal government, for the first time ever, is mandating that individuals purchase a product. The federal government is out of control, and those who love liberty and value individual and state’s rights must stand up to it.

“These attacks prove one thing for certain: the liberal establishment is desperate to keep leaders like me out of office, and we are sure to hear more wild, dishonest smears during this campaign.”

Rand Paul on the Issues:

http://www.randpaul2010.com/

TAXES & DEBT

With our national debt over 12 trillion dollars, the deficit spending by Washington DC continues to mortgage fruits of our future labor to fund federal programs we don’t need and cannot afford. Rand Paul would fight to balance the budget and dramatically reduce spending, before further interest on our debt requires government to reach deeper into our pockets and into our children’s piggy bank.

HEALTH CARE


As a doctor I have had first-hand experience with the vast problems facing health care in America. Like other areas of the economy where the federal government wields its heavy hand, health care is over-regulated and in need of serious market reforms. As Senator, I would ensure that real free market principles are applied to fix this problem.

FEDERAL RESERVE


With so much blame going around for the current financial crisis it is surprising that so few in the mainstream press have discussed the role of the Federal Reserve System. For too long the Federal Reserve has operated behind a shroud of mystery—as Senator I would make sure that all Americans understand the dangers of unsound monetary policy and shed light on this secretive organization.

PRIVACY & LIBERTY


The Federal Government must return to its constitutionally enumerated powers and restore our inalienable rights. America can prosper, preserve personal liberty, and repel national security threats without intruding into the personal lives of its citizens.

ENERGY INNOVATION


If we leave our energy policy to the special interests in Washington, we will never solve our energy problems. Our energy crisis stems from too much government intervention. The solution requires allowing businesses and ideas to compete.

LIFE


I am 100% pro life. I believe abortion is taking the life of an innocent human being.
I believe life begins at conception and it is the duty of our government to protect this life.

[bobdrake12]

http://www.jonesrepo...ishment_rp.html

The Establishment Is In Full Blown Panic Over Rand Paul
The status quo doesn’t care from which direction of the phony left-right paradigm the mud is thrown , so long as it sticks
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Thursday, May 20, 2010

The establishment is in full blown panic over the runaway success of Kentucky primary winner Rand Paul and has set about attacking the son of Congressman Ron Paul from every conceivable angle in an attempt to undermine his support base and ensure his defeat by a Democratic opponent in November.

Whatever your personal agreements or disagreements with the nuances of Paul’s policies, the fact is that he represents the rarest breed of politician – one not controlled by special interests – and that is a fundamental threat to the status quo and the gravy train for the crooks and scoundrels in Washington DC.

On the one hand, establishment neo-con news organs like the New York Daily News have attempted to eviscerate Paul’s Tea Party base by implying that he is not “conservative” enough in that he doesn’t support endless unconstitutional wars of aggression that have not been authorized by Congress. Of course, classical conservatism of the George Washington, founding fathers variety, dictates that foreign policy should be based around a strong national defense while avoiding foreign entanglements and interventionism – which is exactly what Rand Paul embraces.

So the sight of the neo-cons trotting out the universally loathed Dick Cheney – he had the lowest approval ratings for any Vice President in recent history – to back Paul’s opponent Trey Grayson was a pathetic effort to characterize Paul as being soft on foreign policy, a tactic that went out of date some five years ago, and its failure was evident in the size of Paul’s crushing victory.

Establishment neo-con Republicans have to know that the game is up. Unless they can completely take over and subvert the Tea Party movement, which they have openly called for, it’s all over for them. The fact that the Tea Party got right behind Paul despite his openly stated desire to bring the troops home proves that neo-con sentiment within the ranks of the Tea Party is on the wane. Conservatives are finally starting to understand that unconstitutional foreign wars of aggression are not conservative.

On the flip side of the rigged political spectrum we have the neo-libs crying foul about Paul’s libertarian credentials. Despite the fact that Paul has vehemently supported his father’s stance of shrinking big government, legalizing marijuana and ending the drug war, putting a stop to banker bailouts, reducing the national debt, lowering taxes, and restoring personal liberties, just because Paul hasn’t explicitly supported gay marriage, this invalidates everything else according to this warped and myopic argument.

In reality, the issues of abortion and gay marriage have always divided libertarians into socially conservative and socially liberal camps. Rand Paul believes that one of the few roles of government should be to protect life, which he believes begins at conception. Just because Paul doesn’t believe that individual freedom should give people the freedom to kill their own children doesn’t make him a neo-con.

While people who profess to be libertarians may grandstand with righteous indignation and attack Paul for his stance on abortion in the belief that they are performing some kind of moral duty to “expose” him as a neo-con, in reality they are only doing the bidding of the establishment in acting as the left-wing of the pincer attack on the Senatorial candidate’s support base.

The establishment does not care from which direction the mud is thrown at Rand Paul – so long as some of it sticks – which is why they will continue to desperately try to undermine him before the elections in November, while still failing to grasp that real populist candidates who resonate with the burgeoning resistance to big government are all but immune to such smears.

Aided by helpful attacks from both sides, Democrats are apparently “giddy” about taking on Paul come November, but so long as the Senate contender sticks to his core principles, he should have little problem in seeing off an opponent who will be unable to extricate his campaign from the plunging popularity of Barack Obama and the big government agenda that he fronts for.

“I say bring it on,” Rand Paul shot back yesterday. “Please bring President Obama to Kentucky, bring him to campaign as much and as often as they can because he’s incredibly unpopular here, the Democrat policies are incredibly unpopular here – so I say bring it on.”

[bobdrake12]

[JLL]

Why doesn't he say it's okay for a racist not to sell their house to a black person? I don't understand how that is compatible with libertarianism. Why can't I choose who I sell my house to? That's a simple question and he's avoiding it like a politician.

[Alex Libman]

Yet another Judas goat to pull otherwise reasonable people into the dead end of electoral politics. I supported Ron Paul in 2008, but I call that the last out-burst of my idealized love for America leaving my body. I now only advocate non-voting, gulching / agorism, tax resistance, political migration (ex. Free State Project), seasteading, etc - all eventually leading to future possibility of secession.

Edited by Alex Libman, 23 May 2010 - 11:39 AM.

[bobdrake12]

[Alex Libman]

I am coming ever-closer to the conclusion that the only value that has ever existed and will ever exist in this universe is located inside Alex Libman's mind, and that all worldly stupidity should be remedied by a bio-engineered flesh-devouring virus that slowly reduces all other humans into limbless 30lb worms before their prayers for a faster death will finally be answered; (yes, that was a semicolon - and you know I don't use them lightly) and I will then clone ever-more copies of myself, build an army of robots, expand my empire outward, building a hyperspace network of perfectly optimized Dyson spheres as I swiftly utilize every atom of this universe into a gigantic super-computer to endlessly search for all possible modes of communication through which my disappointment with humanity can be epitomized for all time!

[valkyrie_ice]

I am coming ever-closer to the conclusion that the only value that has ever existed and will ever exist in this universe is located inside Alex Libman's mind, and that all worldly stupidity should be remedied by a bio-engineered flesh-devouring virus that slowly reduces all other humans into limbless 30lb worms before their prayers for a faster death will finally be answered; (yes, that was a semicolon - and you know I don't use them lightly) and I will then clone ever-more copies of myself, build an army of robots, expand my empire outward, building a hyperspace network of perfectly optimized Dyson spheres as I swiftly utilize every atom of this universe into a gigantic super-computer to endlessly search for all possible modes of communication through which my disappointment with humanity can be epitomized for all time!

And you wonder why I pointed out that your philosophy consists of nothing more than childish desires to be free of any and all accountability for yourself. Your endless self worship is getting boring.

[chris w]

I am coming ever-closer to the conclusion that the only value that has ever existed and will ever exist in this universe is located inside Alex Libman's mind, and that all worldly stupidity should be remedied by a bio-engineered flesh-devouring virus that slowly reduces all other humans into limbless 30lb worms before their prayers for a faster death will finally be answered; (yes, that was a semicolon - and you know I don't use them lightly) and I will then clone ever-more copies of myself, build an army of robots, expand my empire outward, building a hyperspace network of perfectly optimized Dyson spheres as I swiftly utilize every atom of this universe into a gigantic super-computer to endlessly search for all possible modes of communication through which my disappointment with humanity can be epitomized for all time!

You know, Alex, this is pretty funny, but I'm scared...it may not be a 100% actual joke

[valkyrie_ice]

I am coming ever-closer to the conclusion that the only value that has ever existed and will ever exist in this universe is located inside Alex Libman's mind, and that all worldly stupidity should be remedied by a bio-engineered flesh-devouring virus that slowly reduces all other humans into limbless 30lb worms before their prayers for a faster death will finally be answered; (yes, that was a semicolon - and you know I don't use them lightly) and I will then clone ever-more copies of myself, build an army of robots, expand my empire outward, building a hyperspace network of perfectly optimized Dyson spheres as I swiftly utilize every atom of this universe into a gigantic super-computer to endlessly search for all possible modes of communication through which my disappointment with humanity can be epitomized for all time!

You know, Alex, this is pretty funny, but I'm scared...it may not be a 100% actual joke

I've read far too many of his rants to think it's a joke in any sense.

[Alex Libman]

And you wonder why I pointed out that your philosophy consists of nothing more than childish desires to be free of any and all accountability for yourself. Your endless self worship is getting boring.

Yes, you are right. I won't build any Dyson spheres around stars already claimed by other "rational economic actors", but my criteria for which species meet this standard will now be a bit elevated. If they have anything resembling Rachel Maddow on their planets - they're toast.

You know, Alex, this is pretty funny, but I'm scared...it may not be a 100% actual joke

Well, nothing is ever 100%... Like 81% of the universe is currently identified as "dark matter", which we all know are existing Dyson spheres built by native extraterrestrial civilizations. I am serious about conquering the other 19% of the universe though. I just hope the universe isn't a democracy, because we all know how them "darkies" vote...

Edited by Alex Libman, 23 May 2010 - 09:48 PM.

[AdamSummerfield]

I am coming ever-closer to the conclusion that the only value that has ever existed and will ever exist in this universe is located inside Alex Libman's mind, and that all worldly stupidity should be remedied by a bio-engineered flesh-devouring virus that slowly reduces all other humans into limbless 30lb worms before their prayers for a faster death will finally be answered; (yes, that was a semicolon - and you know I don't use them lightly) and I will then clone ever-more copies of myself, build an army of robots, expand my empire outward, building a hyperspace network of perfectly optimized Dyson spheres as I swiftly utilize every atom of this universe into a gigantic super-computer to endlessly search for all possible modes of communication through which my disappointment with humanity can be epitomized for all time!

You know, Alex, this is pretty funny, but I'm scared...it may not be a 100% actual joke

I've read far too many of his rants to think it's a joke in any sense.

I've learned from Alex, but I think personal anger is a major basis for his adoption of ideas.

[Alex Libman]

I've read far too many of his rants to think it's a joke in any sense.

I've learned from Alex, but I think personal anger is a major basis for his adoption of ideas.

For me anger and reason exist in sorta like a symbiotic relationship. Without anger I'd be too busy selling Security Information Management solutions or whatnot to ever worry about stupid stuff like politics. But ya gotta admit - the Rand Paul situation does warrant anger a few points above the Kardashev scale...

[chris w]

I can get along with progressive libertarians, to me you guys are just wrong on the starting point but still belong in the forces of MiddleEarth nevertheless, but a libertarian and social conservatist is a marriage made in Mordor, and where I live that's pretty much the only type. What's this shit with state enforced abortion ban ? And I hate when somebody equalizes the good name of a certain oil company with the good of the country as a whole, that's some twisted concept of patriotic loyalty ( not that I'm a patriot of any kind - "workers have no motherland !" ).

Edited by chris w, 23 May 2010 - 11:38 PM.

[bobdrake12]

[Alex Libman]

I can get along with progressive libertarians, to me you guys are just wrong on the starting point but still belong in the forces of MiddleEarth nevertheless, but a libertarian and social conservatist is a marriage made in Mordor, and where I live that's pretty much the only type.

All libertarians / capitalists are progressive (they push the civilization forward), and all socialists / statists are regressive (they hold the civilization back). Ron Paul is an Ayn Rand thumping atheist IRL, a strategic genius, and a darn good actor. His son is playing to a slightly different audience, though he's not as good an actor just yet, and his role is a lot more difficult.

What's this shit with state enforced abortion ban ?

People who have simplistic answers for the abortion issue just simply haven't thought about it very hard. Human life has value - both economically as well as morally! It will soon be possible to surgically remove an unborn child while it is still a bunch of undifferentiated cells and artificially incubate it into a child that is just as healthy or even healthier as one that spent all 42 weeks inside its mother, and even in absence of government there would clearly be enough people willing to pay for this procedure to save a human life, myself among them! I am against the impossible prohibition on abortion in today's world, based on the mother's self-ownership of her own body, but in tomorrow's world abortion will be 100% identical to infanticide! Leaving this matter up to the states (or up to neighborhood associations / family contracts / etc in an Anarcho-Capitalist society) will boost the economic incentive to look for other alternatives that neither kill the baby nor violate the Rights of its mother!

And I hate when somebody equalizes the good name of a certain oil company with the good of the country as a whole, that's some twisted concept of patriotic loyalty

The BP oil spill is a great example of government failure:

(1) The government created this oil-based economy in the first place by subsidizing it, including all the trillion-dollar wars in the middle east, while a freer society would have probably switched to (post)nuclear, geothermal, and/or perhaps even space-solar by now.

(2) The government forced the tax-victims to pay for its crummy quality assurance monopoly, which failed miserably. Why worry about safety yourself when everyone knows Mommy Government needs to do all your thinking for you! The government inspectors rated the rig as exemplary, when they showed up at all.

(3) The government created a "tragedy of the commons", whereas all sea and ocean territory would be privately owned in a free society, not in any way differently from land, and even undersea X-depth access rights would be a commodity to be traded. When you get oil in other people's property, you'd typically pay out the wazoo!

(4) The government created corporate liability protections, whereas in a free society people starting or investing in an oil company would know they can lose the shirt off their back, and would thus only do so if they had sufficient industrial insurance, which in turn would have led to draconian safety standards all across the production process.

(5) Oil has been seeping into the oceans of millions of years, and the overwhelming majority of the oil seeping into the ocean today has nothing to do with acts of man. Nature, for the most part, simply cleans itself. This isn't to minimize BP's liabilities for its actions, but to point out that perhaps the greatest damage of this accident is psychological rather than environmental. There are eco-religious nuts out there who literally think the world is coming to an end! Most of them will not blow up any SUV dealerships, but a lot of them will live a different life than they otherwise would have, avoiding industry, avoiding having children, avoiding the very processes that propel the human civilization forward! There will always be stupid people who will find stupid reasons to sit on the couch all day and complain, but the current environmentalist hysteria was to a great part encouraged by government-controlled education, government influence over the media, and countless other examples of government force!

( not that I'm a patriot of any kind - "workers have no motherland !" ).

Tens of millions of soldiers marching in the name of the "workers" have killed tens of millions of others in the name of their "motherland". It is a shame that irrational 19th century collectivist abstractions have spilled into the 20th century, but let's hope they wouldn't also ruin the 21st. If Marx had really cared about the "workers" he would have started libraries and voluntary mutual aid societies, which is what the libertarians of that era (individualist anarchists as well as capitalist philanthropists) have done, not violent unions and revolutions!

Apprentice and work hard from an early age, always pursue more education part time (which thanks to the Internet is now almost entirely free), save money, buy your own means of production, and then reduce your workload if you prefer in pursuit of greater things!

[Kolos]

People who have simplistic answers for the abortion issue just simply haven't thought about it very hard. Human life has value - both economically as well as morally! It will soon be possible to surgically remove an unborn child while it is still a bunch of undifferentiated cells and artificially incubate it into a child that is just as healthy or even healthier as one that spent all 42 weeks inside its mother, and even in absence of government there would clearly be enough people willing to pay for this procedure to save a human life, myself among them! I am against the impossible prohibition on abortion in today's world, based on the mother's self-ownership of her own body, but in tomorrow's world abortion will be 100% identical to infanticide! Leaving this matter up to the states (or up to neighborhood associations / family contracts / etc in an Anarcho-Capitalist society) will boost the economic incentive to look for other alternatives that neither kill the baby nor violate the Rights of its mother

It might be also possible to just kill sperm before it reach the ovum or even leave the testicles so abortion would be rare anyway. It could be common only among the poor, perhaps only in some 3 world countries where it's impossible to control it anyway.

[chris w]

All libertarians / capitalists are progressive (they push the civilization forward), and all socialists / statists are regressive (they hold the civilization back).

Hmm, kind of like Marx discovering "The Immutable Laws of History".You see, that's why this post will be my last reply to you in political matters, I don't want to put fire on another thread ( unless you will express an utter bull somewhere and not just the ussuall ones). I used the Lord of The Rings as an ad hoc "funny" metaphore, whereas in these matters you truly are religious - like, manichean zealot, who really perceives the state as something like Sauron, yourself and your ilk as The Fellowship, which is what makes discussion pretty pointless. This constant high voltage, all-or-nothing rhetorics of yours is just getting old, you even don't hesitate to use as an argument ( I think that was in Politics of Regulation) that if you are smart ( which I see ) and a succesfull programer and Anarcho Capitalist, then Anarcho Capitalism is a sound ideology. In my opinion Lallante and Valkyrie Ice pointed out very nicely in other threads where you loose your grip on reality, I could only echo their posts right now.

Example of your cherry picking the facts from history to suit your needs was when you mentioned somewhere Germany and Japan being "bombed" into the world freemarket system and how it made them grow. That is true, they were bombed allright, but what you forgot to mention, is that second later their economies became nowhere near laisseze faire - in Germany it was "Rheinish Capitalism" and in Japan the omnipotent MITI ministry. It's because everybody willing to understand this without ideological biases at that time knew that striving to keep societies more or less economically equal is what keeps potential Hitlers at bay. Take a look at today's Japan and Thailand from the last weeks. In Japan there are no violent social "time bombs" ticking because as an almost entirely middle class society ( counting out Yakuza and the like, and their government was never nowhere near transparent ), they realise they are on the same boat whatever happens and everybody has to much to loose to risk agressive political stunts. If one doesn't see anything morally appealing in egalitarism then I would think that he at least will recognize it as simply part of "keeping - my - ass safe" regimen. This is an article about German millionaries actually wanting to pay high taxes to repay what they got from society.

People who have simplistic answers for the abortion issue just simply haven't thought about it very hard. Human life has value - both economically as well as morally!

Read your Peter Singer, it may turn out to be you who hasn't thought about it very hard. His argument is stone cold rationalist ( which is actually a bit scary sometimes ) as to why abortion should be kept legal at all instances, you might even like that he uses a category close to "rational economic actor" ( in his writings it would be something more like "rational biographic actor" ) to determine why someone's life has either inherent value or value because of personal attachement of other "rational actors" - like in case of a newborn child.

The BP oil spill is a great example of government failure:

(1) The government created this oil-based economy in the first place by subsidizing it, including all the trillion-dollar wars in the middle east

A nice leap here, I hate the guy who invented wheel because I was hit by a car once. And your justification dangerously reminds that of early Socialists, who defened fellons along the line, that it was the society that made them this way. In your view free entrepreneur is the noble savage corrupted by civilization = government.

freer society would have probably switched to (post)nuclear, geothermal, and/or perhaps even space-solar by now.

Sure, and maybe if not THE EVIL GOVERNMENT we would have been to the Moon when Rudolf Valentino was still dancing around. You know, it's very convenient to use possible futures that did not happen in favor of your current political stance.

There are eco-religious nuts out there who literally think the world is coming to an end!

Yeah, kinda like a few Austrian Economists.

Tens of millions of soldiers marching in the name of the "workers" have killed tens of millions of others in the name of their "motherland". It is a shame that irrational 19th century collectivist abstractions have spilled into the 20th century, but let's hope they wouldn't also ruin the 21st.

It's funny and yet sad, how you can point out the slaughter inflicted by the state throughout times, but when it's Coca Cola hiring thugs to KILL union activists, who paralized the production - it's just private entrepreneur protecting his "Rights". "My" violence - horryfying, "your" violence - justified by fundamentalist free market philosophy. The end, and thanks for holding yourself this time from saying something about blood on my hands . You may not believe me, but I hope you guys succeed in that seasteding thing, I wish it turned out that a strictly voluntary and prosperous at the same time society could be built, just don't make people of the world having to participate in libertarian experiment that may turn out to be a catrastrophe, by supporting the demontage of the state. But by all means go and try on your own - "let a thousend flowers bloom", Alex .

Edited by chris w, 24 May 2010 - 02:48 PM.

[bobdrake12]

All libertarians / capitalists are progressive (they push the civilization forward), and all socialists / statists are regressive (they hold the civilization back). Ron Paul is an Ayn Rand thumping atheist IRL, a strategic genius, and a darn good actor. His son is playing to a slightly different audience, though he's not as good an actor just yet, and his role is a lot more difficult.

Alex,

Is the Mainstream Croporate Media "out to get" Rand Paul?

[bobdrake12]

The media isn't slowing down.

[Alex Libman]

Is the Mainstream Croporate Media "out to get" Rand Paul?

Does "Mr. McMahon" really hate "Stone Cold Steve Austin"?

[AdamSummerfield]

Abolish government involvement in the American healthcare system and Britain:

http://mises.org/daily/4434

[AdamSummerfield]

I'm moderately libertarian but I'm not a social conservative like Paul.
I'm a pacifist, social liberal and very multicultural.

[EmbraceUnity]

Abolish government involvement in the American healthcare system and Britain:

http://mises.org/daily/4434

The British system and the American system are at the polar extremes of the developed world. The brits have nationalized hospitals and insurance. The US has some regulations, medicare, and aid for the poor, but insurance is not nationalized nor are hospitals. Every other developed country falls between those two poles. Usually in the form of single payer health insurance or a public option.

Now, I personally don't think that people should spend all that much on healthcare. Robin Hanson has proved how cost-ineffective healthcare spending is generally. Whether we do it privately or publicly, we are spending too much because the current forms of treatment are so primitive and disease-specific. I am pretty supportive of a public option health insurance system because it would reduce costs and cover more people, regardless of how much we prioritize healthcare. Yet, it isn't that big of an issue. Insurance is just a tiny piece of why healthcare is so screwed up.

One of the most effective uses of money would be something like the Medical Prize Innovation Act that was proposed by Bernie Sanders. The idea is that we would create large prizes for new medicines, inventions, and treatments and the winners would then release their inventions into the public domain as a condition of accepting the prize. Each prize would generate more dollars in R&D than the actual prize money awarded, and by making the innovations public domain the amount of social benefit would be incalculable.

Consumers and the government combined spend trillions on healthcare yearly. In the healthcare world, much of it goes toward futile disease-specific treatments for people who have been degraded by the effects of aging (and thus likely to become sick again soon after). Imagine if instead we funded billion dollar prizes that target aging itself!

Another supplemental idea would be something like the Open Source Healthcare idea of Kevin Carson.

Edited by progressive, 26 May 2010 - 06:43 PM.

[bobdrake12]

Abolish government involvement in the American healthcare system and Britain:

http://mises.org/daily/4434

Thanks for the article, AdamSummerfield.

I agree with your analysis.

I have far more of a vested interest in my healthcare than some government.

Therefore, I should have the right to make the decision regarding how effective (including cost-effective) some treatment is or isn't.

Edited by bobdrake12, 27 May 2010 - 01:53 AM.

[bobdrake12]

Is the Mainstream Croporate Media "out to get" Rand Paul?

Does "Mr. McMahon" really hate "Stone Cold Steve Austin"?

[JLL]

I'm moderately libertarian but I'm not a social conservative like Paul.
I'm a pacifist, social liberal and very multicultural.

Good, so you're against taxation.

[AdamSummerfield]

I'm moderately libertarian but I'm not a social conservative like Paul.
I'm a pacifist, social liberal and very multicultural.

Good, so you're against taxation.

Not completely. Taxes are needed to operate a police force, emergency services, sanitation and so forth effectively.

[chris w]

I'm moderately libertarian but I'm not a social conservative like Paul.
I'm a pacifist, social liberal and very multicultural.

Good, so you're against taxation.

Not completely. Taxes are needed to operate a police force, emergency services, sanitation and so forth effectively.

So then what is the libertarian part of you about ? The services you enumerate are enough to make the political body that collects those taxes a significant player. Social liberalism ( free use of drugs, same sex marriage etc etc ) is a goal for people who would describe themselves as socialists as well, I guess also respect for Non Agression Principle is not the same as active pacifism. Don't be tempted by the Dark Side, Adam

Edited by chris w, 27 May 2010 - 05:03 PM.