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#1 Skötkonung

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 07:35 PM


I was recently invited to my American-Okinawan girlfriend's family reunion in Naha city. It was a lot of fun and I learned a lot about the Okinawan culture and people. Since there seems to be a lot of controversy about what Okinawan people ACTUALLY eat, I thought I would share my anecdotal experiences. Here are some of the things I gathered from my visit...

The older Ryukyu culture that existed in Okinawa consumed a meat centric diet. This was then largely replaced with a Buddhist culture that avoids animal slaughter. In recent history (last couple centuries I gather? Although I cant be sure), most people consume fusion cuisines - borrowing from China / South-East Asian, Ryukyu, Japanese Buddhist foods. Okinawa is like Hawaii, it's a convergence point for many cultures. One thing is for certain, they aren't vegetarians. All of the Okinawan people I met eat meat - although in much smaller portions than westerners. In fact, most people eat less (and slower) in general -- which reinforces the whole CR thing.

At the reunion dinner, there was a lot of tofu, pork shoulder / pork belly, and fish served. My favorite food was chanpuru-- a stir fry made of bitter melon, fried egg, pork, tofu, and other vegetables. There was also big eye tuna eyeballs cooked in lard and seasoning. Hirayachi (a pancake like food) and lots of rice dominant dishes. Soki soba, a buckwheat and pork stirfry was tastey! At the markets, meat is sold in abundance. Beef is rare, but poltry, pork, goat, and seafood are common. It was interesting to see offal (organs) sold and consuned so commonly. Lots of fruit and vegetables. Curiously, I didn't see as much purple sweet potato.

There is no doubt that the Okinawa people consume some meat and don't shy away from saturated fat (no processed oils!). That said, they get lots of n-3 fats from seafood and eat a carbohydrate heavy diet that is rich in starches, and a vairety of fruits / vegetables. The purple sweet potatoes, which I heard were abundant in Okinawa, weren't as common as I thought. In fact, when I asked my girlfriend's grandmother (who is 88) about the sweet potato / longevity connection, she told me I was mistaken. Bittermelon, not sweet potato, is what the Okinawan people attribute their longevity to. People manage to combine bittermelon in all kinds of different cuisines.

So, is there a scientifically established link between bittermelon and longevity?

According to Wikipedia:
"Bitter Melon contains four very promising bioactive compounds. These compounds activate a protein called AMPK, which is well known for regulating fuel metabolism and enabling glucose uptake, processes which are impaired in diabetics. "We can now understand at a molecular level why bitter melon works as a treatment for diabetes," said David James, director of the diabetes and obesity program at the Garvan Institute of Medical Research in Sydney. "By isolating the compounds we believe to be therapeutic, we can investigate how they work together in our cells."[8][9][10][11][12][13] Bitter melon contains a lectin that has insulin-like activity. The insulin-like bioactivity of this lectin is due to its linking together 2 insulin receptors. This lectin lowers blood glucose concentrations by acting on peripheral tissues and, similar to insulin's effects in the brain, suppressing appetite. This lectin is likely a major contributor to the hypoglycemic effect that develops after eating bitter melon and why it may be a way of managing adult-onset diabetes. Lectin binding is non-protein specific, and this is likely why bitter melon has been credited with immunostimulatory activity—by linking receptors that modulate the immune system, thereby stimulating said receptors."

Does eating less and artificially lowering blood glucose contribute to longevity? It seems like a reasonable supposition...

On a side note..There was more fat people than I expected! But much much less than America.

Edited by Skötkonung, 16 November 2010 - 07:59 PM.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 12:02 AM

Great post Skot, and fascinating insights. Their diet certainly sounds great (and damn delicious), but I'm still left wondering can we improve on it by replacing some of the starches with good fats. Perhaps the CR aspect is what is most at play here and any reasonable macronutrient breakdown would yield similar longevity.

Did they drink much tea? And was it three square meals a day?

Either way I'm going to go try some Bitter melon! :-D Oh and an Immortalist and Okinawan couple, that is some serious longevity potential right there ;)

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 08:22 AM

The meat content of their diet is essential, as it provides necessary carnosine. As for bittermelon, its ability to reduce insulin can have an impact not only on diabetes and chronic inflammation but also on aging itself. It may act as a calorie restriction mimetic.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 09:39 PM

Great post Skot, and fascinating insights. Their diet certainly sounds great (and damn delicious), but I'm still left wondering can we improve on it by replacing some of the starches with good fats. Perhaps the CR aspect is what is most at play here and any reasonable macronutrient breakdown would yield similar longevity.

Did they drink much tea? And was it three square meals a day?

Either way I'm going to go try some Bitter melon! :-D Oh and an Immortalist and Okinawan couple, that is some serious longevity potential right there ;)

Thanks :-D I did observe them drinking tea, but not a lot outside of meal time. I think that many immortalists consume far more tea than the average Okinawan (I'll sometimes drink 4-5 cups in a day). Not sure about the implication of that, but my supposition is that more tea is a good thing. As for the meals, they didn't snack as much (although people do snack) as I've seen Americans and Europeans. Okinawan meals tend to be at fairly regular intervals. That said, I didn't see a Okinawan office environment... and people love snacking when they're at work so I'm not ready to rule out the snacking thing. Also, there are fat people in Okinawa and American / fast-food chains make junk food readily available.

I'm not sure about the carbohydrate intake on longevity. It is interesting that they eat foods that actually lower blood glucose and improve insulin sensitivity. That combined with a general lack of over eating means that Okinawans may be getting some of the low-carb benefits without actually being low carb. Sweet potatoes have caiapo, which improves blood glucose levels. Who knows what else they eat?

Improved metabolic control by Ipomoea batatas (Caiapo) is associated with increased adiponectin and decreased fibrinogen levels in type 2 diabetic subjects. (PMID 17645559)
Antidiabetic activity of white skinned sweet potato (Ipomoea batatas L.) in obese Zucker fatty rats. (PMID 10706405)

The meat content of their diet is essential, as it provides necessary carnosine. As for bittermelon, its ability to reduce insulin can have an impact not only on diabetes and chronic inflammation but also on aging itself. It may act as a calorie restriction mimetic.

Interesting... many people are thin in Okinawa, but not like I would expect for someone doing CR. That's a good hypothesis, that their diet could be providing some of the CR effects!

Edited by Skötkonung, 17 November 2010 - 09:41 PM.


#5 tham

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Posted 25 November 2010 - 07:35 PM

Purple sweet potatoes are at least
part of the secret for the Okinawan's
longevity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=19771514

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=19863544

http://www.hindawi.c...009/564737.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=20136441

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=20600541



Are the Okinawans the longest lived ?
How about the Vilcabambans of Ecuador,
the Hunzas of the Pakistani Himalayas,
the Abkhasians of the Georgian caucases
as well as Bama and Hetian in China ?



" ..... they have been called by
some researchers "The Happiest
People on Earth".

http://longevity.abo...nds/p/hunza.htm


" The mean VAS-H (visual analog scale
of happiness) score in Himalayan
highlanders and the degree of modern
civilization in the area was in inverse
proportion
. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=1491477


http://www.stress-fa...e-archives.html

http://www.essential...l/long-life.htm


http://www.ehealthys...nlonprogda.html

http://ezinearticles...Who?&id=2681969


Vilcabambans.

http://www.vilcabamba.org/article.html

http://www.insidersh..._longevity/2378

http://blogs.howstuf...-on-the-planet/



Abkhasia.

http://www.abkhazwor...e-caucasus.html



Bama and Hetian.

http://www.chinaexpa...ma-county.html/

http://travel.ninego...guide/bama.html




" .... the world’s five "longevity villages"
where there are over 75 centenarians
among every one million people.

The five villages are: Hunza of Pakistan,
Vilcabamba of Ecuador, Georgia of
Transcaucasia, Bama of Guangxi
Zhuang Autonomous Region and
Hetian of Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous
Region both of China. "

http://www.china.org...alth/188808.htm
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#6 Marios Kyriazis

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Posted 26 November 2010 - 08:54 PM

Although people in these regions do live long, the myth that they are truly supercentenarians (or even worse, over 120 years old) has been disproven several years ago.Georgians used different birth certificates in order to avoid conscription in the Czar's army, for example. As for being happy perhaps they are, but I think what is common in all of these cultures is that they work hard and do not eat a lot (i.e. they are calorie restricted).

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Posted 28 November 2010 - 05:40 PM

I believe happiness is the biggest
single overriding criteria in longevity,
regardless of any other technique of
life extension - supplements, drugs,
diet, lifestyle, caloric restriction,
even genetic modification.

One thing in common with all the
above centenarians may be noted
- all of them are from the rural
areas - relatively small, closely knit
and socially interactive communities.

You'll be hard pressed to find anyone
living past 100 from the big, bustling,
modernized , cold "dog-eat-dog"
environments of New York, Tokyo,
Mexico City, LA, Shanghai, Hongkong
and even Kuala Lumpur here, where
people are typically more detached
(every man for himself).

Loneliness = Unhappiness = Diseases = Early Death


http://www.imminst.o...post__p__399865

http://www.imminst.o...post__p__400394


" While all that helps, there is one
recipe for long life acknowledged
by all who have it – a peaceful heart.

No mean feat, that. It involves trading
the modern dream of leisurely self-
gratification for the ancient paradigm
of simplicity and usefulness.
"

http://www.chinaexpa...ma-county.html/

Edited by tham, 28 November 2010 - 05:42 PM.

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#8 Mortuorum

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 09:05 PM

I believe happiness is the biggest
single overriding criteria in longevity,
regardless of any other technique of
life extension - supplements, drugs,
diet, lifestyle, caloric restriction,
even genetic modification.

One thing in common with all the
above centenarians may be noted
- all of them are from the rural
areas - relatively small, closely knit
and socially interactive communities.

You'll be hard pressed to find anyone
living past 100 from the big, bustling,
modernized , cold "dog-eat-dog"
environments of New York, Tokyo,
Mexico City, LA, Shanghai, Hongkong
and even Kuala Lumpur here, where
people are typically more detached
(every man for himself).

Loneliness = Unhappiness = Diseases = Early Death


http://www.imminst.o...post__p__399865

http://www.imminst.o...post__p__400394


" While all that helps, there is one
recipe for long life acknowledged
by all who have it – a peaceful heart.

No mean feat, that. It involves trading
the modern dream of leisurely self-
gratification for the ancient paradigm
of simplicity and usefulness.
"

http://www.chinaexpa...ma-county.html/



First off, GREAT and Fun initial post, Skot!

I think Tham's perspective is an astutely accurate and highly complex one. Genes are hardly fixed, diet and nutrition are environmental influential factors that can assuredly impart influence unto the growth and development, the expression of the nucleus of DNA, but the nucleus is not affixed and rigid, it can be altered and manipulated, it receives information from the cell membrane which itself dies so in accordance with the dictates of external stimuli of biochemical as is established through dietary assimilation, environmental absorption/assimilation, physical exertion/exercise factors, as well as, and maybe even most significantly, field energy and psychoemotional assimilation/absorption, processing, and response dynamics. The cell membranes instruct the nucleic DNA accordingly upon its developmental pathway of expression and replication. This is one of the precepts of Epigenetics and I think this is integrally key in determining any cultural or infra-cultural longevity factors, statistics. Belief system is probably, on many strata, even more imperative a factor than diet, exercise, and nutrition/supplementation. Interjecting a notion about diet alone relative to Skot's great post. It would seem that there is more than enough pure (once one has sifted through the plethora of corrupt, junk, and/or biased 'data') scientific data supporting that a largely, if not entirely, plant based dietary regime is more than adequate and sustainable to maintain and even optimize physiological and psychological well being in human life forms/models though this must be carefully conceived, measured, and appointed thusly. This dichotomy has been argued ad nauseam on this forum so it is NOT my intent to steer this thread into that direction at all. Let us consider our environment. The sustainability and rejuvenation of our biosphere and planetary environment is deleteriously affected by large scale industrial agricultural cultivation of meat based food products, period, though industrial agriculture adversely affects this upon other realms as well. Einstein was admonishing us regarding this very fact regarding large scale human populace carnivorous dietary practices and its damaging effects upon our system, rendering it not sustainable, nearly a century ago. Our relationship with our planet has been very largely of a parasitic rape nature and it has progressed well past major tipping points now to such an extreme that radical measures must be undertaken, despite the contraindicating, purely defensive, deceiving, and baseless, money based interpolation arguments of corrupt special interests who stand to lose a great deal from necessary environmental and industrial reformations. We need to focus more upon environmental sustainability and Symbiosis with our external system in an unprecedented manner. We exist in a world wherein money and money worship and its power and status accolades define nearly everything, including science, most of which is monetarily defined and influenced and hardly ethical, pure, truthful, nor noble in its endeavors. The sad reality is, corporate state special interests (including medical and pharmaceutical as well as large scale industrial food manufacturers) and their paid proponents, our sub-human "politicians", do comprise our governmental power structure and regulatory agencies and the profit is made upon insuring the propagation of disease states and modalities propagating and expressing themselves to as great an extent as possible, not the reverse. Corruption, not to mention gross, myopic, ineptitude, pervades nearly all aspects of scientific procedure and research data, even and especially heavily lauded and circulated studies. Academics are defined largely by and aligned with insuring the propagation of the special interest groups and industries who the graduate student drones will be serving. It is no shadowy conspiracy that our academics and educational systems were sculpted and defined by wealthy industrialists, such as Carnegie and Rockefeller, as a means of specific social engineering close to a century ago.

http://www.propublic...plinary-records

http://www.theatlant...l-science/8269/

http://foodfreedom.w...ernization-act/

http://www.naturalne...l#ixzz16pkYVMPX

Epigenetics is a burgeoning and exciting perspective integrating many aspects of true scientific endeavor, even transcendent ones. We are only just beginning to scratch its surface but I think it is from there that we will excavate the keys and transitions unto much manifold understanding, evolution, transcendence, wellness, higher conscious, longevity, and most paramount, symbiosis and happiness.

http://www.scientifi...mes-epigenetics

I'll attach a paper, "Epigenetic Factors in Aging and Longevity" for your enjoyment. This other paper, link below, sounds great, I am not a paid member, so, alas, I cannot download the full pdf, maybe someone else can help with this?


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21088573

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Edited by Mortuorum, 04 December 2010 - 10:01 PM.





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