Heres some interesting chat from todays interview with Aubrey, and then some other miscellaneous. When a lot of people converge in the chat, ideas network, skills get lined up with projects, people progress ideas, get on the same pages, inform, etc... The more we all get in this chat, the more this kind of chat will evolve into more and more projects, and the more people we will get the word out to and get to help even in the chat itself.
04:20 AgeVivo-1146 : Aubrey, 2 weeks ago you wrote "Wait one more week please... two at most..." where you thinking a) of this show, b) of a new paper, c) of the foundation split d) other?
04:21 ustreamer-29904 : their is no such thing as overpopulation
04:21 Teme :
http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=18497 04:21 jedimasterlucia : not again....
04:21 aubrey-7153 : Osipov - could be interesting - lots of people are stupidly secretive with new data - hard to tell
04:21 spaceistheplace : sound off
04:21 ustreamer-25206 : No sound again!
04:21 aubrey-7153 : ©
04:21 ustreamer-46715 : what happened
04:21 prophets : if we are going to depend on companies like Microsoft for the technological breakthroughs for longevity than i think humanity is doomed
04:21 aubrey-7153 : lucky I can type really :-)
04:21 silverton : suspect #1: flaky U.S. upstream bandwidth.
04:21 jedimasterlucia : overpuplation, I had a discussion with a friend about it
04:22 ustreamer-46715 : somthing about choice
04:22 aubrey-7153 : well more precisely © followed by the developments that we will be making easier because of ©
04:22 ustreamer-2249 : indeed, typing seems to be getting more than the audio/video
04:22 ustreamer-46715 : i agree
04:22 Eric-3616 : can you all hear the audio or is it just mine that dropped?
04:22 B0gger : suspect#2: too many connections (?)
04:22 ustreamer-46715 : whats c
04:22 grailsearcher : re: overpopulation, since humans > 70% water shouldn't we boom the poulation to offset rising oceans from global warming?
04:22 ustreamer-56455 : Hi. mind here....sorry for the complete and utter technical disaster
04:22 prophets : aubrey - i know you are probably tired of answering supplement questions and vitamin this or that. but there seems to be an uptick in interest in 'hormesis' and molecules like resveratrol/curcumin that are sort of a 'that which does not kill you' makes you stronger/live longer approach ?
04:22 Teme : I think it's working out
04:22 aubrey-7153 : no audio for m weither - I will be so pleased if it's too many connections :-)
04:22 Teme : we should save this text though
04:23 prophets : so what do you think of these kinds of supplements? xenohormetics is what sinclair called them.
04:23 chanadewolf : the problem with voluntary population control is that the only people smart enough to come to the conclusion not to have children are then removing the best genes from the gene pool ;-)
04:23 ustreamer-56455 : getting things going again
04:23 Teme : and post it in the ImmInst forum
04:23 AgeVivo-1146 : thx. About hoaxes: might Zheng Cui 's research be a hoax too?
04:23 ustreamer-56455 : Mind here....many apologies
04:23 ustreamer-56455 : not sure what gremlins are killing the show tonight
04:23 ustreamer-78709 : hwqy
04:23 Jens-8958 : canadewolf - I would not necessarily say best genes, but best memes seems at least as appropriate.
04:23 Eric-3616 : Im wondering if MFURI, now changing names, is for just SENS strategies, or for other strategies to the 7 deadlies
04:24 aubrey-7153 : hormesis is definitely not dumb, but it can only achieve very modest effects in my view - CR and mimetics are the best cases
04:24 ustreamer-78709 : why
04:24 ustreamer-78709 : no show
04:24 ustreamer-8713 : Howcome Mind is having problems with this video ?
04:24 prophets : CR is hormesis in some regards though isn't it
04:24 aubrey-7153 : MFURI is indeed more general than SENS, though centred on SENS
04:24 Eric-3616 : really, thats great news, sort of
04:24 aubrey-7153 : sorry I'm missing some of the qns
04:24 Eric-3616 : I thought that it was just for sens, but that a broad undergrad fund should be set up too
04:24 aubrey-7153 : eric - elaborate
04:25 aubrey-7153 : ah I see - right
04:25 Eric-3616 : well, wouldnt it be better for mfuri to focus on sens
04:25 Eric-3616 : and then get somebody like us, or you under another name, to do it more broadly?
04:26 aubrey-7153 : what's important is to orient undergrads to think in an engineering way, without railroading them. so a balance (SENS-centric, but not SENS-restricted) is best.
04:26 Eric-3616 : either way I guess, just wondering, Ill work with either,
04:26 ustreamer-56455 : getting there
04:26 ustreamer-56455 : mind here...getting there
04:26 aubrey-7153 : I'm not in favour of having too many organisations with virtually identical missions unless they have clearly distinct approaches
04:26 Teme : At Teme, we're focusing on friendliness, principally, facilitating research based on our members' interests
04:26 Eric-3616 : but I was thinking that mfuri would then later fall under a larger umbrella undergrad fund to be developed so it can focus more on sens
04:26 ustreamer-46715 : what do consider to be the best way to study your work
04:27 Teme : obviously the research must be in line with the scientific mission
04:27 ustreamer-55236 : Aubrey - Do you personally hope prolonging life is going to improve us as a whole humanity in desicion making about what our futures' horizon is to be? And what does an improvement in that area really mean to you personally?
04:27 chanadewolf : aubrey: what, if any, promise do you see for support of cryonics research from the same population of those supporting SENS research?
04:27 Eric-3616 : not seperate organizations, but to integrate the larger part later
04:27 chanadewolf : just wondering if, in your experience, there is much overlap at all.
04:27 aubrey-7153 : chana - well, I'm working on it... my public support for cryonics is probably helping
04:28 ustreamer-46715 : excersize
04:28 aubrey-7153 : 55236 - yes I certainly do
04:28 aubrey-7153 : I think it will raise our sights re other hard problems (geoengineering against climate change etc etc)
04:28 Eric-3616 : Aubrey, Im also wondering, besides sens conferences, where do the researchers chat online, just email lists?
04:28 chanadewolf : i'm going to be working on it much more aggressively in the coming months, as well. i'll probably want to ask you a few specific questions by email soon, since you are undoubtedly far more experienced in these matters than i.
04:28 Teme : is anyone saving this chat?
04:28 ustreamer-46715 : from what ages do you recomend 60s plus
04:28 aubrey-7153 : researchers don't chat online (not PIs anyway)
04:28 Eric-3616 : why no forum just for researches to chat about strategies and develop new ones?
04:29 aubrey-7153 : chana - sure, any time
04:29 prophets : professional researchers would be antagonized by people like us
04:29 chanadewolf : go skype go
04:29 ustreamer-93460 : searchers don't chat online (not PIs anyway)? why not? do researchers just stay in labs
04:29 AgeVivo-1146 : do you have news about Zheng Cui?
04:29 chanadewolf : they're too busy!
04:29 aubrey-7153 : eric - they do that at conferences
04:29 s123-1 : At last
04:29 Eric-3616 : right, but they cant be at a conference every month or week
04:30 Eric-3616 : and the internet connects the world
04:30 spaceistheplace : why so prophets?
04:30 aubrey-7153 : Cui - no news no, but there is work going on in our place in Tempe
04:30 chanadewolf : online chat is a terribly time consuming mode of communication
04:30 Jonathan-5652 : Are there any significant advancements made toward life extension in the last 12 months?
04:30 silverton : yes, we can hear abrey now. good work, mind!
04:30 Eric-3616 : I dont suggest they chat in public forums, but in a researcher invite forum
04:30 chanadewolf : ohh...poor chris. i still think of him nearly every day.
04:31 Eric-3616 : my audio just returned
04:31 AgeVivo-1146 : if some want to write down (summarize) what Aubrey says, that'd be great
04:32 Eric-3616 : can you do that? good idea
07:14 John_Ventureville : racist
07:14 mariusz79 : yeah, how many people can name a guy that invented fire?
07:14 feline : Ford was a <say what>
07:14 mariusz79 : or rather discovered how to use it
07:14 Eric-3616 : this is the bottom line, those that wants something go after it, those that dont dont,
07:15 Eric-3616 : we cant get it if we dont go after it
07:15 mariusz79 : do you think in a ten thousand years it will matter what you did?
07:15 Eric-3616 : we cant tell the soldiers that hitler is all powerful and that we probably wont win, we cant tell them that
07:15 Eric-3616 : we cant
07:15 John_Ventureville : bye, folks
07:15 mariusz79 : by John
07:15 feline : It was Urgh or his brother Grunt
07:15 mariusz79 : bye
07:15 mariusz79 :
07:16 feline : yeah, you can do things that matter in 10K
07:16 Eric-3616 : I dont care if it matters what I did or what others did
07:16 mariusz79 : it will not matter to you
07:16 Eric-3616 : I care to stay alive,
07:16 feline : it matters to me as long as i live
07:16 mariusz79 : eric are you doing cr?
07:16 feline : that's all that can ever matter
07:16 mariusz79 : are you part of any cryonics organization?
07:17 feline : so it matters as much and as long as it ever can
07:17 feline : to me
07:17 Eric-3616 : not only can we not tell the soldiers that about hitler, but its not true about hitler
07:17 Eric-3616 : or the grim reaper
07:17 Eric-3616 : or any other challenge
07:17 * feline is lined up for corpsiclezation.
07:17 mariusz79 : well right now grim reaper is winning 100 000 000 000 000 to 0
07:17 Eric-3616 : I work on saving life now, others can work on cryonics
07:18 mariusz79 : and im not sure if he is alone:D
07:18 Eric-3616 : Im too busy scrambling to get in the fighter jet and go fight to stop and make sure my safety ejection seat, cryonics, is installed, I should, I will, but fighting is more important
07:18 feline : fighters fight the fight, complainers complain the complaints
07:18 Eric-3616 : like weve been talking about, 100,000 die a day, if I can do out there and help push this cause ahead by one minute then thats some percent of that 100,000,
07:19 mariusz79 : i told you that this 100k saved is nothing more then a major <censored>
07:20 feline : repetition
07:20 Eric-3616 : its a point in this convo,
07:21 Eric-3616 : fighters fight the fight, like people at imminst, who is complaining?
07:21 mariusz79 : i am
07:21 mariusz79 :
07:21 Eric-3616 : whos not fighting?
07:21 feline : yup
07:21 feline : isn't m fighting?
07:21 ustreamer-7270 : IS THE INTERVIEW OBER?
07:21 ustreamer-7270 : OVER?
07:21 mariusz79 : 99.99% of humanity isnt fighting
07:21 feline : OBER IST IT
07:21 Eric-3616 : but they will be
07:21 mariusz79 : no they wont
07:21 Eric-3616 : they cant fight until they know there is a fight going on
07:22 WhiteDragon103 : What's the problem, you guys? Is there something getting in the way between us and radical longevity?
07:22 feline : oh no they wont
07:22 Eric-3616 : for example, how many people that didnt know they were sailing for d day got into higgins boats?
07:22 ustreamer-7270 : was it recorded?
07:22 Eric-3616 : they couldnt get into them because they didnt know about it,
07:22 Eric-3616 : when we tell them, many many more will get in
07:22 feline : they can contribute by paying tax $ but that's about it
07:22 mariusz79 : they were soldiers
07:22 mariusz79 : they had orders
07:22 mariusz79 : and they didnt like them
07:23 Eric-3616 : they were soldiers
07:23 WhiteDragon103 : I hope you guys are not going off on a tangent
07:23 feline : why can't we order people to do good things
07:23 feline : like we can order people to do bad things
07:23 Eric-3616 : recruited by army recruiting stations, (imminst, mf, cel, longevity meme, car, etc..)
07:24 mariusz79 : come one do you think that guy like kurzwail cares about you or me?
07:24 mariusz79 : he's making money
07:24 Eric-3616 : who then joined battilions, (sens, meetings, conference planning, agi uri, fund drives, marketing outreach etc...)
07:24 Eric-3616 : who then joined a coordinated attack on the enemy.
07:24 ustreamer-7270 : do you care about kurzweil?
07:24 feline : it's a trickle down economy
07:24 mariusz79 : off of us, because he knows that the only thing that may save him same day
07:24 mariusz79 : at least give him few more years
07:24 ustreamer-7270 : so what if he is making money?
07:25 Eric-3616 : this isnt a tangent, this is the heart and soul of a part of what this chat is here for
07:25 mariusz79 : nothing, good for him
07:25 mariusz79 : im just trying to point out that we should be realistist no utopists
07:25 Eric-3616 : this would be a tangent in a chat about any of the petty chats that crowd the net, yes
07:25 ustreamer-7270 : any whoo what did aubrey have to say?
07:25 ustreamer-7270 : why has the mfoundation split up?
07:26 feline : the truth please
07:26 feline : is it just some money making scheme that's now about to jump the boat?
07:26 WhiteDragon103 : mariusz - what do you imply by that? We should forget about the important thing and focus on barak obama's new dog?
07:26 feline : or are they in this for real?
07:26 mariusz79 : no of cause not wd
07:27 feline : there seems to be a lot of whining about money going on
07:27 feline : Big money
07:27 Eric-3616 : we are realists,
07:27 WhiteDragon103 : As far as I'm concerned, if something sucks, don't whine, don't <censored> around, do something about it
07:27 mariusz79 : we should organize by creating smaller, leaner organization
07:27 Eric-3616 : I would be a utopiast if I said yes, this will happen in ten years for sure.
07:27 Eric-3616 : I dont say that
07:27 feline : I say 5
07:27 Eric-3616 : I say the more time and dedication we put into this, the more progress we will make
07:28 Eric-3616 : so your right
07:28 Eric-3616 : utopiasm is bad
07:28 mariusz79 : eric its not quantity of work but quality
07:28 feline : qu a li tay
07:28 mariusz79 : and currently we lack both
07:28 Eric-3616 : I agree,
07:28 WhiteDragon103 : Society needs to be changed. Okay, so lets get this <censored> done, eh?
07:29 Eric-3616 : did I say someplace that I hope to get poor quality out of everybody who works with the cause?
07:29 mariusz79 :
07:29 feline : gut thing we have money tho
07:29 WhiteDragon103 : Simple as that
07:29 mariusz79 : yeah, wd.. lets//
07:29 mariusz79 : :D
07:29 mariusz79 : have your people call my people:D
07:29 * feline sleeperservice
07:29 WhiteDragon103 : XD
07:29 WhiteDragon103 : Lol
07:29 feline : that's what we need
07:29 Eric-3616 : yes, exactly
07:30 Eric-3616 : so lets, get this, sh it, done
07:30 Eric-3616 : exactly
07:30 Eric-3616 : white dragon
07:30 WhiteDragon103 : There's no debate here, obviously, as to whether or not doing something about this is a good thing. We just need to act
07:30 mariusz79 : better yet
07:30 Eric-3616 : I forget what you do, besides drawings do you do photoshop well
07:30 Eric-3616 : and also video editing?
07:30 feline : getn sh it done is easier said than done, unless you mean pooping
07:31 mariusz79 : lets start new religion, lets promise people that we can save them if they will give us more money